Better Building with Buck | Podcast | Custom Home Builder

About the Podcast

This podcast Better Building with Buck Podcast will be about bringing more people to the table to share their experiences about construction. We will be hosting home builders, trade partners, realtors, homeowners, and the forgotten apprentices – who build the world that we live in today. If it wasn’t for the curiosity of people wanting to work with their hands, we would be living in a much different world. So thank you for all your hard-work – and thank you most of all to the apprentices, who often are up to their knees in mud while they continue to learn.

Jordan, Host

Jordan, Host

Custom Home Builder | Journeyman Carpenter

Rhiannon, Host

Rhiannon, Host

Architectural CAD technician and Residential Building Designer

Prefer to read the podcast Episode 1?
00:00:00:32 - 00:00:18:22
Jordan
So, today is our first day of our podcast, “Better Building With Buck.” This is Rhiannon. She is going to do our plans moving forward and we are going to start being a design-build company. Today we're going to discuss what “design-build” is and we look forward to sharing that with you guys.

00:00:19:16 - 00:00:41:41
Rhiannon
Okay, so by definition, “design-build” is the project delivery method in which the design and construction of a project are more of an integrated process where it's meant by a single entity. So this just streamlines everything, making things more cost effective, economical communication becomes much better and everything is just so much more streamlined in the process.

00:00:42:20 - 00:01:02:14
Jordan
Yeah. So the things that we're going to cover today is we're going to cover how “design-build” can help to reduce costs. It can also shorten the length in which a project takes. So when you think about the length of a project, it's not actually always just the building part of it. So there is all the pre-planning that comes upfront.

00:01:02:36 - 00:01:26:35
Jordan
So that has to be taken into consideration when you're thinking about building a house. So often what happens is somebody can go out, they'll look for a lot, and then they'll go and try and find somebody to build their house. And there's lots of different ways that people will approach that. Some people will go and they'll find a plan, or maybe they already have an idea of what a house looks like to them.

00:01:26:52 - 00:01:32:45
Jordan
And then they'll say, Hey, can you go build me this house? Well, that doesn't give you enough instructions to build a house.

00:01:32:58 - 00:01:57:00
Rhiannon
It's much more technical and detailed process than that which which is why we are doing this vlog podcast, so we can sort of educate people who don't have a lot of understanding of what the process is behind building a house. It's really important that you have a good team behind you to back you, because it's it's a huge, massive and pivotal project for most people's lives, especially when dealing with custom homes.

00:01:57:09 - 00:02:22:07
Jordan
Yeah. So there's, there's a lot to building house and we want to make sure that we're there for you guys walking through every step and being there to make sure that you, you feel like you're well taken care of. And it's important that people understand that every project is a prototype. So going through that and understanding going into it that it is not a factory line.

00:02:22:07 - 00:02:39:39
Jordan
So going and picking out your car from the dealership, it's not the same thing. Everybody has specific ways in which they live their life and we're going to do our best to make sure that we take all those considerations into consideration when we're building your house and we're going to go through those right now.

00:02:40:56 - 00:02:51:27
Rhiannon
So we're kind of going to break it down into four different sections for you. So the first section that we're going to cover is why going with a design-build company will aid in reducing costs for your build.

00:02:51:45 - 00:03:01:35
Jordan
So do you want to talk about when you're thinking about it from a design perspective and then maybe I'll talk about it from building perspective and kind of how those two mesh together?

00:03:01:37 - 00:03:31:15
Rhiannon
Absolutely. So I think what I'm going to kind of cover in this reduced cost, I guess, information section is also going to apply to every other aspect that we'll discuss with design and build. So in my experience as an architectural CAD technician and a designer, the reduction of costs when going with the design and build company would probably happen well, but definitely happen right from the beginning.

00:03:31:29 - 00:03:57:09
Rhiannon
You're cutting out a lot of middlemen, if you're going with the design and build company. It's really easy to lose time. And as we've all heard before, time is money. It's really easy to lose time when you've got, you know, four or five different people, whether that be, you know, an engineer from one firm, a designer from another firm, a builder from one section of town.

00:03:57:09 - 00:04:21:25
Rhiannon
Plus you throw in your inspector that you're dealing with - and the planner... Things can just get really complicated and, you know, emails start getting passed around for tiny little revisions and such. And before you know it, you know, you wanted two doors changed, but it needed to be *sorry* a door and a window, we’ll say, but it needed to be kicked back to the engineer because they needed to make sure that the shear walls could handle, you know, the window expansion.

00:04:21:50 - 00:04:39:04
Rhiannon
So we've got to wait 1 to 2 weeks for that response, and then the designers are going to need to go in and make those changes. And if you are dealing with a designer with just a CAD firm, it's important to know that they have probably 30 to 40 projects on their plate as well. So there's there's a lack of intimacy when it comes to your plans.

00:04:39:08 - 00:04:40:52
Rhiannon
Sorry, I'm getting a little ahead of myself so.

00:04:41:24 - 00:05:02:56
Jordan
Well, well, that's fine. You're just sharing what's what's what comes to mind. So. Yeah, just I think, I think also when we were talking about the people working together and when a plan designer and a builder are working together hand in hand, you're going to have the ability to make sure that you're passing the the ideas back and forth.

00:05:02:56 - 00:05:23:31
Jordan
And the designer kind of knows what you like to see in your plans instead of this: Okay. So it goes to homeowner, the homeowner looks it over, then the builder's got to look it over. Then it goes to the designer, they start moving things around, and then the designer maybe wasn't on the same page as what the conversation was with the builder and the owner.

00:05:23:42 - 00:05:30:30
Jordan
Well, when you have a design build and everybody sitting at the same table, then, you know, lots of those pieces of the puzzle aren't missed.

00:05:30:37 - 00:05:56:13
Rhiannon
So if you think of it this way is just, you know, sort of the the team system of it just means that there's a lot more lines of defense, as well, when sort of seeking out any technical errors or anything like that. It's a lot easier to do that when you have an intimate relationship between the builder and the designer and the client, as opposed to contracting other people out who you don't work with on a daily basis, if that makes sense.

00:05:56:27 - 00:06:05:12
Jordan
Yeah. *Sorry I just sort of add...* Yeah, no, that's fair. And are you comfortable with the “reduced in cost”? Maybe we'll move on to...

00:06:05:12 - 00:06:05:36
Rhiannon
Yeah, definitely!

00:06:05:57 - 00:06:07:13
Jordan
...shorter project timelines?

00:06:07:29 - 00:06:07:49
Rhiannon
Yes.

00:06:09:01 - 00:06:37:13
Jordan
Cool. So when we start talking about shorter project timelines, I'm going to give an example of how that that situation can play out. So you, the homeowner, you go out, you find a piece of land. You go, okay, let's build a house. You then go, how are we going to build this house? You start looking for usually builders and going out and interviewing multiple builders is a great idea.

00:06:37:45 - 00:07:01:28
Jordan
It's a good way to understand who you're working with. Often these processes can take at the very shortest six months could be two years, maybe more. It really depends. So you have to be under the impression that this is going to be a long term relationship. You could think about it as you're you're going to date this person and you're not sure who this person is going to be.

00:07:01:28 - 00:07:24:10
Jordan
So you just have to work your way through these people and make sure that you can trust that person because they're going to be responsible for your budget and and your budget is your money. That's important. Protecting the budget is is is very key and making sure that that person's going to be there, spend it in the best way possible for you.

00:07:24:11 - 00:07:47:40
Jordan
You don't do this all the time. So if that person that is on your team is working with you and understands your wants and needs, that's really important. So the example that I'm going to give is a vacant land, a buyer, which is the homeowner and the realtor. So I think that it's important to understand that all those people have different goals.

00:07:48:20 - 00:08:13:57
Jordan
So in this situation, which is fairly common, is what happens is the homeowner is going out, they are going to look for a piece of land because it's close to something or is desirable for whatever reason. It's in the neighborhood. They they go and look at this piece of land and they have the realtor, the realtor stoked. He's ready to show you this piece of land, tells you all the great things:

00:08:13:59 - 00:08:40:54
Jordan
“Oh, my God, look at this view. Look at this mountain. Look at this, this beautiful tree. Look at how you could get this road in here and ‘oh my God.’” And hypes it all up. Well, you haven't talked to the builder that's going to have to place that house that you have in your mind on that property. And so that is where it starts to not go in the right direction, because you're there's going to be how the house is going to lay on the land.

00:08:41:07 - 00:08:58:06
Jordan
You might already actually have in your mind what this house is going to look like. And there's just no way that that house is going to fit on that piece of land. So you go through you, your next step is you're going to try and go and find somebody to design your house plan. And so you draw-

00:08:58:15 - 00:09:20:29
Jordan
you get that person draw-up the house plans. And then three quarters of the way through, you start going, “Oh, okay, well, now I think I need a builder. Okay, well, let's go and find a builder - our house plans are almost done.” And they say to you, “Well, you've got some of the information, but do you understand how much it's going to be to put that foundation in there? And that house..

00:09:20:56 - 00:09:41:01
Jordan
Yeah, it works for the property, but there could have been a much cheaper way to build this house.” So that's kind of where I think that it's important to get your builder there as soon as possible. Start building out your team as soon as possible. So if you're thinking about building a house, the first place to start is with interviewing your team.

00:09:41:17 - 00:10:03:05
Jordan
Now, whether you feel like it, you want to go with a design-build team or you want to go out and you want to go find who's going to build the house, who's going to be your designer. Maybe even you start to think about if there's going to be an excavation company involved, how are you actually going to start moving that material around on your lot so that you can build this house?

00:10:03:19 - 00:10:38:57
Jordan
That's going to be one of your biggest hurdles when you first start. So yeah, so that's kind of the first scenario. And then I'll talk a little bit about the second example is: vacant land, a buyer, a realtor and a design team. So in this scenario, you have you've gone out, you've, you've went and you've met with a bunch of builders and then you've talked through each one of their processes and you realize a design-build team is what I want, because I have a whole team behind me that's going to get me from start to finish and then get the keys for my house.

00:10:38:57 - 00:11:00:41
Jordan
And then moving forward you're going to have warranty and then them helping you with understanding the maintenance on your home and how all the systems work in your house. So that's kind of start to finish with the design-build team. Something to understand is that the design-build team is going to be understanding what's important to you too.

00:11:00:55 - 00:11:23:17
Jordan
So they're going to understand maybe they're gonna start asking questions about how you function your house, how many people are going to be in your home, what's your long term goals, right? And if you don't have a plan moving into building your home, then it's really hard to navigate what's important. Yeah, so I think that those are kind of the two examples.

00:11:24:02 - 00:11:52:25
Jordan
I'm just trying to think if there's anything more that I could share about that. Yeah, I guess when, when, when you have a design-build team, it's really important to understand that they are going to be understanding what's been important to you from the very beginning to the end of the project. So if everybody knows that the budget's important but understanding what is the space in your home that is actually the most important room in the house?

00:11:52:37 - 00:12:16:12
Jordan
Okay, let's define that room. Let's try and build that as the best room in the house. Or I. I really want to make sure that this room, this room and this room are the my favorite rooms in the house, because this person spends this much time in this room. This person spent that much time in this room. So now you have a North Star going into a project with North Star is setting you up for success.

00:12:16:12 - 00:12:37:51
Jordan
So that's that's the big difference is when you have all the team together. And when I speak about this team, there's going to be the designer, there's going to be the builder, there's going to be all of the specialty trades that are going to come in and help you build out that process. And and when everybody's working together, then you have a chance for success.

00:12:38:07 - 00:12:55:08
Jordan
When you've gone out and you have all these little people that aren't aligned on what the main goal is, it's really hard to have success with that. So I think that it would make sense for most that when you have a congruent group of people working together that you are going to be going in the right direction.

00:12:55:19 - 00:13:07:31
Rhiannon
And just to sort of add on to that, I think that when you go with a design and build team, too, you have the integration of the designers, technical knowledge, as well as the builder's practical knowledge - and technical knowledge.

00:13:07:58 - 00:13:34:00
Jordan
So for instance, we're working on a project together right now and we started designing the house and and when we were going through designing the house, we noticed that we were going to have to pick up a large beam that was going to run through a majority of the house. And so I brought it up with the homeowners about how we were going to heat the front portion of their house and and how that was going to start to impact with ducting.

00:13:34:00 - 00:13:54:38
Jordan
And do we need ducting? This is in the basement, by the way. And if we are going to go with ducting in the basement, are we okay with bringing down the ceiling to accommodate those ducts? And and then if we are going to go that route, how do we address the ceiling down there? Is it going to end up being something that we build in as a feature of the home?

00:13:54:38 - 00:14:13:21
Jordan
Or is it going to be something that you're going to see it and it's going to be a bulkhead? Often what happens in most house plans is that you're going to have the house - this is when you don't have a design-build team and you just have somebody design your plans and then you have a builder - is that the plans are done.

00:14:13:21 - 00:14:37:00
Jordan
You're all excited to build your house and you give it to the builders. Builder says, “Yeah, I can build you this house.” But little do you know that when you go into your basement you have a bulkhead that you never intended to be there because firstly the conversation wasn't had or the person that was doing the ductwork had never been brought into the design phase...

00:14:37:11 - 00:14:54:43
Jordan
to understand how he was going to get his ductwork from point A to point B. So that's just one example. I feel like that's a good example because everybody's been in a house where they wonder, “Why this thing is sticking down in the ceiling? I wonder what's in there?” And often it's ductwork that just didn't get planned out.

00:14:55:01 - 00:14:55:21
Rhiannon
Yeah.

00:14:55:44 - 00:15:24:38
Jordan
Yeah. Like I think that that's a really big important part. Something else that we're going to go over is “reducing risk.” So when you are doing a design-build project, the way that you can reduce the risk is by making sure that you have all these goals set up about what's important on the project. So if, if right from the beginning, you know that the owner is really excited about a particular type of material...

00:15:24:54 - 00:15:45:06
Jordan
Well, if that material is going to be two years out to order and you're hoping to build your house in a year, then if you started your planning right from the beginning, knowing that you had to have that material in your house, then you could order it. You could have it there in time so that it didn't put a delay in your project.

00:15:45:11 - 00:16:18:06
Jordan
Another thing to do with reducing risk is, for instance, when everybody is working together and you have insight from the electrician, the HVAC contractor, the plumber, and those people are brought to the table to understand yet again how they're going to get this item from point A to point B in the design... that's when you can reduce risk, which saves you money - and also make sure that the project looks cleaner as far as, you know, little bump outs and weird things that don't make sense.

00:16:18:16 - 00:16:21:23
Jordan
And that's that's a big thing to do with risk.

00:16:21:23 - 00:16:42:11
Rhiannon
Yeah. So also, I guess what I will add into is it was going with the design and build team, you're also reducing the risk of sort of that pesky old thing that you've heard before. Too many cooks in the kitchen. It's going to be higher risk for errors if you've got a bunch more people going into these projects together without having a good relationship or any relationship at all.

00:16:44:05 - 00:16:57:03
Rhiannon
Yeah, that's all I had to add to risk reduction. But too many cooks in the kitchen, it becomes it can become overwhelming and messy and errors happen that way. So it's best to avoid that.

00:16:57:19 - 00:17:24:39
Jordan
Yeah. No, fair enough. Something else that we like to try and do is after we go through the planning phase and we've got the bidding done in our minds, when we're building out this project, we're starting to build a risk management plan for your project. And when we get to moving a contract from a pre-construction contract into a construction contract, we're going to be delivering you a risk management plan, which is going to be sharing with you all the risks that are that we see being involved.

00:17:24:48 - 00:17:50:06
Jordan
Now, that doesn't say that we're going to catch every single risk, but when that person's been involved with your project from the beginning, understanding why we built that house like that, not just picking a plan and putting it on to that house, we've started to think about what's important to you. When when I say that, I'm thinking about, okay, now when you get up in the morning, do you like sun in your room or do you not like sun in your room?

00:17:51:18 - 00:18:12:58
Jordan
And those are the things that you can design in to your home if you have that opportunity. Now, if you pick a plan that's already pre-built, that doesn't fit land, well, there is going to be some weird things that just aren't going to quite fit. So having that that thought process go into your project right from the beginning is really setting you up for success. At Buck Robertson Contracting,

00:18:12:58 - 00:18:34:15
Jordan
it's really important that communication is part of the project, and that's why our slogan is “At Buck Robertson Contracting, we do contracting with communication!” The reason why we feel that's important is when everybody understands what's going on in the project, you're going to make sure that the project's going to go in the right way. So... Do you have anything more to add, Rhiannon?

00:18:34:21 - 00:18:55:29
Rhiannon
No, I guess just in my own personal experience with I guess... how long has it been now... 10 or 11 years in design, including my degree - I also... I think this could be a blanket term for these four points that we just went over. I just wanted to talk about how how you see things that I don't see.

00:18:55:32 - 00:18:57:28
Rhiannon
Because I don't build things, right, so...

00:18:57:28 - 00:18:59:37
Jordan
No, no, we can definitely go over it - yeah!

00:18:59:43 - 00:19:18:20
Rhiannon
So just touching on shorter project timelines: it's important to know, too, that typically a designer that you're working with doesn't have a lot of practical experience with building. You know, they've... I'm sure some have built some things, but a lot of them have not. They are behind a desk doing a lot of the technical work, researching the bylaws and the local zoning.

00:19:18:38 - 00:19:47:12
Rhiannon
I'm sure some designers will tell you that they've built things before in their life - I'm sure some of them have - but I think a big majority of designers don't have a lot of practical experience. So there's things that are going to go on the plans... So as Jordan mentioned earlier, a bulkhead for a huge “mamajama” beam that we had to specify... that isn't something that necessarily comes to these people's minds who are working in 2D, whereas Jordan has has built these things before with this practical experience.

00:19:47:12 - 00:20:06:48
Rhiannon
So it's a nice line of defense. And in my own personal experience as a designer, what will happen is clients won't... they won't have a builder. And basically they're starting process is the design process. So of course they're asking us all of these practical questions that we don't exactly have the answer to.

00:20:06:56 - 00:20:40:52
Rhiannon
A lot of designers don't have practical experience building houses. We work in the back with the computers, with the zoning, the bylaw, and the building code - which is a huge part of the process. Anyways. So working with the design and build team is sort of the builders acting like a last line of defense towards their designer, as well. So as an example, we just did a custom house and I ended up having to specify like a huge beam in the basement, and that created a problem in the design because now we're going to have this big yucky bulkhead that Jordan was talking about.

00:20:42:18 - 00:21:12:13
Rhiannon
So he came to me with that problem, and it wasn't necessarily something - I mean, I'll just admit it - it wasn't necessarily something that I thought about when I was working in 2D. So that's just a really good example of having, you know, your designer, as well as your builder, in an integrated team and in an environment. Because you're going to have two wicked sets of knowledge: you’re gonna have a technical set and a practical set and combined... *makes explosion noise* *laughter* AWESOME - sorry, it's kind of a failsafe.

00:21:12:13 - 00:21:20:37
Rhiannon
You just always have to think, yeah, there's, there's, there's more lines of defenses when it comes to this this pretty tedious process, I've heard.

00:21:20:54 - 00:21:44:15
Jordan
Yeah. And another good good point about that, too, is say I went by and saw Rhiannon working on a project. I could identify that right away. And instead of the plans getting finished up, getting sent over, well, it's already gone through one revision, maybe two, maybe five revisions before you've even seen it, because lots of this nitty gritty stuff isn't that important to the owner.

00:21:44:17 - 00:21:59:58
Jordan
It's, “Okay. Is this house going to look the way that I envisioned it?” Most people aren’t going to think about if the bulkhead is important to them or not. But from the builder's point of view, if he can design a house that doesn't have a bulkhead in it, he's done a lot better job. Now, can you always avoid it?

00:21:59:59 - 00:22:24:03
Jordan
No. But what you can do is you can try and plan and think about, “Okay, how is that going to get-” I know already said it, but, “from point A to point B” because that's almost all of construction is whether the material shows up, where it's going to go, how it's going to go up... And every single piece of material that gets to the site has at point A to point B and sometimes C, D, E, F before it gets to its final destination.

00:22:24:25 - 00:22:49:10
Jordan
So, yeah, no, I was really happy that we were able to do this first podcast episode. I hope you guys like it and we're going to do more. We're going to try and be doing this around a particular topic. And into the future, I have plans to interview realtors, other builders, people that are on our specialty trades list, as well as apprentices.

00:22:49:10 - 00:23:09:25
Jordan
Because - you know what? I think that the apprentices don't get the respect that they deserve, because they're the ones that are more often than not actually in the mud, up to their knees, having to make sure that it gets done. So, if they weren't buildin’ the world, we wouldn't be living in houses. So, anyways, I hope you guys are having a great day and I look forward to seeing you on next one.

00:23:09:45 - 00:23:11:35
Rhiannon
Nice meeting you all! Thank you!

00:23:12:02 - 00:23:13:23
Jordan
Bye!

00:23:13:41 - 00:23:15:33
Rhiannon


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You
Here’s episode 1, 2 and 3 as well (just “text” format)
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Rhiannon
Nail it. Okay, cool. Okay. Okay. Hey, everybody. My name's Rhiannon.

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Jordan
And I'm Jordan. And this is “Better Building With Buck.” We're excited to share with you today's episode, which is number two: house plans.

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Rhiannon
Our topic of discussion is going to be blueprints and floor plans and sort of certain types of plans that come with building your own house, whether your house is a stock plan or a custom. We're going to elaborate on that further for you today. And here's Jordan, the owner and operator of Buck Robertson Contracting. And yeah, I guess we're going to get started.

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Jordan
Great on. Yeah that’s awesome.

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Rhiannon
Go - giver!

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Jordan
Yeah, I'm so happy. Hopefully everybody enjoyed our first episode of *”Better Building with Buck” and yeah, today's going to be about house plans. Each one of these podcasts is actually related back to a blog post that we're doing too. So if you're looking for more definition or understanding a little bit more what we're talking about, we do have a blog post that you can read about that on our website.

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Jordan
Buck Robertson Contracting dot com and then go to our blog section. So today we're going to talk about house plans and I wanted to ask Rhiannon a little bit about herself and how she started out with getting into being a CAD technician and then interior designer.

00:01:31:27 - 00:01:55:02
Rhiannon
Awesome. Thanks, Jordan. That's a really good question. So I guess originally I really had a love for architecture, anything interior design or interior decorating houses just in general. That's kind of what got me into the niche. However, I do have a bit of a joke for all of you guys, which will align with what I'm about to tell you afterwards.

00:01:55:02 - 00:02:16:11
Rhiannon
So what is the difference between an interior decorator and an interior designer? Only a degree or two. So I needed to make that joke because there's a little bit of like things are a little bit of a they're a bit unclear when it comes to interior decorating and interior design. And I was totally one of those people who is unclear on that.

00:02:16:11 - 00:02:41:26
Rhiannon
When I embarked on my journey of design, I got into a degree of interior design, and I'm just going to admit it. I fully thought it was interior decorating. And boy, was that a shock when I realized how technical it was. The good thing was, though, is I found that the fit and finish and sort of the colors and the furniture and the fluffy and the fun and the coloring part of of design was not really my niche.

00:02:41:26 - 00:03:09:23
Rhiannon
I definitely took more liking to more technical side, the architectural side, the building envelope, space planning. So yeah, I guess that is how I embarked on my design journey. I just always had a love for structures, houses, interiors, finishes, colors, furniture, layouts, solving problems and puzzles. And that ended me up to where I am today.

00:03:10:23 - 00:03:36:25
Jordan
Yeah, that's super awesome. And it was we kind of started out the podcast talking about design build because we were, we were excited about us being able to become a design build company, which is when you have a somebody that is also designing your plans, working with the builder and, and you're able to have a cohesive teamwork and both people are able to understand what, what one another likes.

00:03:36:25 - 00:04:06:08
Jordan
So you're not losing out on the the back and forth of miscommunication and you're able to move that project ahead with ease and and and proficiency. But yeah, I guess we'll go back to talking about house plans and there's kind of a couple of different ways in which you can come about getting a house plan organized and everybody can have also their own interpretation of what a house plan is.

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Jordan
So what we're going to kind of go over is situations that we kind of have happened when somebody feels they have a house plan for us, a situation where we're working with them, and then also a situation where we're looking for the house plan and then somebody else is taking on the project. So maybe we'll talk a little bit about stock plan.

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Jordan
And and when somebody comes to us and they they figure that they they have a house plan or they come to the builder and they say, yeah, we have a house plan. And what that looks like and where it needs to go to turn into a plan that we submit to the city.

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Rhiannon
Yeah. So it's pretty, pretty, it's fairly common that people come in with sort of a starter plan that they've pulled off Jenish online or just an image off of like a Google search and whether that be they've searched a three bedroom, two bathroom, two story or whatever. We do have people coming in with these general stock, these generalized stock plans.

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Rhiannon
And while they're helpful in sort of giving the designer and the builder an idea of what the wish list is, sometimes those can come like they can come with a lot of pros because, well, you sort of have your concept already thought out, but there are some cons that come along to those stock plans. So these plans that you see online, they are not they they may not be compliant with the local government zoning bylaw and they may not be compliant with the B.C. Building Code or the Canadian National Code.

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Rhiannon
As you may, you may be finding these plans from all over the world.

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Rhiannon
So it's really important to keep that in mind because that could change a lot of things with your design. Another thing, sort of another con that we've noticed in our travels when people bring in stock plans is the layout that they've provided with us doesn't exactly line up with the exterior aesthetic that they're looking for. So say if we got like a really like angular, boxy house, but they wanted something that was this is I mean, we don't get art nouveau but say we wanted something that actually say they wanted an exterior that actually had a lot of curvature to it or like a Victorian and or a Gothic or something like, Well, this floor plan

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Rhiannon
isn't going to work for that. It's not going to complement that kind of exterior. So and a lot of these floor plans don't come with elevations provided.

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Jordan
Like - I’ll say something about the elevation stuff. So like also too, when somebody comes to us with a house plan and then, you know, we go out as a builder and go look at this, this lot, and there's no way that that house would either fit in into the parameters that is being on that lot itself or even just the lay of the land.

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Jordan
Lots of the lots in and around the Vancouver Island area are on rock... on a hill... There's a lot of flat lots left, and the people that do get them, well... right on... you're lucky and but yeah, that's what we're dealing with is rock and hills. So when you look at a house plan and it's a two storey simple square box house or something that's more like sprawling, it's a matter of how do we get that onto the property and and how are we going to get there?

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Jordan
So yeah, like you said, it's like, you know, it's it's not a bad place to start. You kind of get some of these ideas rolling, but some of these places where you get those plans from, you're you're also paying a a sum of money for it and and whether if that actually is going to hold any value for you moving forward is another question.

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Rhiannon
Yeah, I agree totally. Yeah. The lay of the land as well. It might just not complement the lot you've purchased and you'll have to go with the whole new design after you know, you've maybe paid for this design already or or the designer has taken time to draft it out, etc... so...

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Jordan
I'll just one more thing, but that is the stock plan is probably your cheapest like option if you're getting right out of the right out of the gates. But with Rhiannon’s experience, often what happens is if. Can I speak for you for that? (Of course, yeah.) So that it often is that there's a lot more work that ends up going into the plans.

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Jordan
And and another side to that too, is, is, is your lifestyle right? You're going to spend all this money on this house, which wasn't designed around your lifestyle at all. So that's something to really take into consideration if you're wanting to have a house that functions in the way that you function. And that's really important, I feel. Yeah.

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Rhiannon
So I think it's just good to, you know, as a designer, I'm always open to getting sent, you know, three different plans and you can pick apart what you like from those plans. And then we can conglomerate something that actually suits you and your needs and your family’s needs. But yeah, we can move on to the next thing if you're ready.

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Rhiannon
Yes, you wanna - cool! Okay. So the next sort of plan that is pretty common for you to get your hands on when you're ready to design your house is a stock plan that has been designed in-house. So. So I guess so the pro there's many pros to this is this plan has sort of been worked over and over and over so it's almost always guaranteed to comply with the local government zoning bylaw and it's always being updated to all of the updates required by the BC Building Code as well as Jordan and I have worked on this plan through and through to work out, you know, every little kinks that we think might be

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Rhiannon
a problem or something. It is quite economical as well because stock plan is we, we would have this finished in house already, so it would be almost the least amount of work for us. We would need to obviously add your specific site information and there's some changes that clients may want to see, which I'll come back to that because that's part of a con there, I guess.

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Rhiannon
So the con there would be if you're coming in and you want to do a stock plan that's made in house, you're going to be limited to the amount of changes that can be made because once you start moving around structural walls and you start changing rooflines and stuff, now all of a sudden we're needing to update seismic or potentially engineering on it, and that's become kind of a cost for us.

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Rhiannon
So if you're looking for something that's that's maybe for resale or something, that's not your forever home, a starter home or something like that. The stock plan in house is pretty useful for you, but I'll let Jordan kind of dip in here with his experience in it as well too. Yeah.

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Jordan
Like I, I built lots of lots of houses from stock plans from from plan designers to actually I was working a lot with Keene Anderson at Green Plan. He was great, great to work with. We had a great working relationship. I was just I felt that moving forward that with with Buck Robertson and it was going to be great to be able to have somebody that I could we could work together and refine that process a little bit more.

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Jordan
And I really have been looking forward to working with Rhi. It's actually been quite a long journey to get to where we are. So I've been pretty excited to finally be able to make that happen and... So now we're going to talk about custom house plans and the value that they can bring to the owner of the home and the family that's going to be occupying that house.

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Jordan
So with a custom set of plans, especially when you work with a design build team, is that you have the interest of the plan designer, the builder. And you also can get insight too from all of the trades in which that are going to actually come to your job and do the work at the very beginning, the input from the other trades is is less, less important.

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Jordan
But if the builder has a question about how the plan is developing and how he feels like a part of the plan may be impacted by the design, then he can reach out. Now, if you're getting a set of house plans, which didn't get that, you know, brush over by the builder before they're completed, then you're going back to the drawing board and you might have been dead set on this particular house plan that that is going to give you less than desirable outcomes because the plan hasn't been thought out fully. In a custom set of plans

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Jordan
there's usually more detail, more thought into what's important to you. What else can I share about that?

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Rhiannon
Elaborate like sort of when it comes to, I guess, a custom house design, just sort of jumping in there. It takes a lot more time than the last two plans that we have discussed. It's a much more it's a deep dove and intimate process. So on top of sort of everything that generally comes with every set of plans, that would be like a site plan, elevations, cross section, seismic plans, maybe engineering or a custom set of plans may look a little more loaded than that because you're really zeroing in on spaces that you and your family love to spend time and function in.

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Rhiannon
So kind of as an example is in the previous two plans, like a stock plan or a plan you got off online, you're not going to get a lighting plan for that or you're not going to have as much fine tuned interior design services for that. Whereas a custom house, just like I said, you're really going to kind of delve into those details and your custom package is going to *exaggerated noise* just yeah, it's very heavily detailed.

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Rhiannon
And so it should be when you're working on your custom dream home, right?

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Jordan
Yeah. (Sorry.) Yeah. No, no, no, that's great. I - yeah... I can really appreciate that. You know, like, I guess the other thing too is that often people don't understand the differences of what value you're getting out of different levels of plans and, and, and the functionality in the home. Yeah. I always, I always wish that it would be I was able to just be a fly on the wall for a week of, of the person just living there and watching how somebody navigates their life because the amount in inefficiencies you could take out of somebody's life by just knowing their, like, idiosyncrasies of what's, you know, do they put their keys at the front

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Jordan
door? Do they put in by their bed? Do they, you know, there could be all sorts of things that that are you know, how when you come in the door, do you the jackets just end up on the floor because they don't make it to the they end up on the railing instead of in the closet because the closet is too far or you know, some people are big cooks.

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Jordan
So the amount of distance that it takes to go from the garage to the kitchen might be important with bringing groceries back and forth. Also is like thinking about where you actually spend your time in the house is important. I don't think that people really take enough time to actually understand how they actually live their life before designing a house plan.

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Jordan
Because if you were, you'd be able to cut down on the square footage and increase your the quality instead of having a McMansion that has very little value except for square footage and, you know, in in a house, you're you're paying for that square footage. So even just the amount of space that you have for hallways or or how you plan out your house.

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Jordan
Great. Super is on a huge house. Yeah. Because you can just put wherever you move pieces around. But now you paid for all that space, the floor finish, the framing, the labor in which all of that had to come together, where if you do some space planning about, you know, your furniture or maybe what you're hoping to get down the road, that you can really start to kind of cozy your spaces up and and most people don't like so much volume, but it seems like more and more houses are that idea

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Jordan
is this volume of space that really doesn't make you feel very comfortable in. So, you know, even just how how high the ceilings are in certain areas. You know, it is great to have vaulted to kind of give this volume and this sense of space to certain rooms, but other rooms, you're going to want the ceilings maybe a little lower.

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Jordan
So you feel cozy. You don't feel like you're like this entity that's kind of floating in in in among this stuff. Yeah. Or lack of stuff in some houses where you built a house and you can't even, you know, put the furnishings in to fill it in to make it feel like it's livable.

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Rhiannon
I as a new mother, too, I don't understand, you know, wanting to clean that amount of space either - it would be so overwhelming. But I also wanted to say, too, I think it's really important to ask, like I often ask clients like, what's on your wish list? But another good question to ask is like, what do you absolutely hate in your house?

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Rhiannon
Like, what do you just despise? And can like could just you would be so happy to never see again. I think it's important to kind of like zero in on a client's like their their positive wants and needs but also their negative sort of experiences in their past homes and stuff.

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Jordan
So it's funny you say that because when I got new apprentices or laborers and they, they always say, well, I don't know what I want to do. And it's like, well, really, I feel like up until you're about 25, you should be trying to figure out what you don't want to do. Yeah, because and you know, if you can get that sorted out a lot, lot more people would be happy I think.

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Rhiannon
I agree.

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Jordan
Yeah. Because you just go, you're like, oh, go to whatever, go to school. And next thing you know, you're doing this thing and you've paid all this money, you're in debt, and the only way you can pay it off is by continuing down this road that you hate.

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Rhiannon
Yeah.

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Jordan
So yeah, I don't know. It kind of loops back to the same kind of idea where if you know what you don't like, then you know what we don't want to put in the house.

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Rhiannon
And can I just use myself as an example there? I know that you just done an introduction in the beginning about why I went into interior design. So I they say hindsight is 20/20 and adding on to what Jordan said about how it's important to kind of figure out what you don't want. So I feel like that probably saves a lot of time.

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Rhiannon
And a prime example of that is I took a degree in interior design and now I'm continuing my studies as an architectural CAD technician in architectural and building technology. And if I could go back and, you know, do this over again, it would save me probably three or four years of school. I would have probably just had to take a two year diploma to become the architectural CAD Tech I am now, which is what the job that I love and I do appreciate and love interior design, but when it comes to fit and finishes, I struggle with it.

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Rhiannon
It's not my it's not my jam. I would prefer to work with the building code and the zoning and the space planning and the exterior concept. So I just sort of felt that was really relevant to what Jordan was saying. And I guess, yeah, really hindsight is 20/20. So when it comes to thinking about your custom plans, just you really have to sit down, put the thought and figure out your, your likes and your dislikes and it's easier.

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Rhiannon
It's going to be easier for you to narrow down your dislikes. You don't really sit and pay attention to the good things sometimes. Right? But you do pay attention to the things that are like, “Oh, that's driving me nuts, this door swing!” So you really, you know, get those out of the way all the all the cons. And then you can work on all the beautiful pros and the wish lists and pay attention to how you function in your house and the spaces you love.

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Jordan
Yeah, no, that's great. I've been super happy with with us being able to you know, work through these these ideas and and actually hopefully this year we’re we're hoping to build out some stock plans of carriage houses and we're going to try and start putting some pricing towards that. So there are certain costs that are very specific to the land, but we'd like to be able to deliver something so that people have a good idea of, you know, a pretty good budget on what something like that would cost.

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Jordan
We're going to hopefully do it in a couple of different, you know, let's call them avatars of who that who that customer is or who's going to be occupying that building so that it functions well for that that type of person. So there'll be, you know, maybe your your parents are now moving into your house or your parents are moving from the house to the carriage house.

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Jordan
Maybe another way that we could approach that is that your kids are, you know, coming of age and they want to find their own space. But, you know, they're out trying to look for a place to rent and you're going, “Oh, my God, how are they ever going to do this?” So you build them a carriage house. Another option, too, is the fact that if if you're a handy type person and you wanted to have a carriage house where the bottom floor was dedicated to this, this services in which you either offer or, or you like to have a shop, a wood shop or a metal shop or whatever that happens to be.

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Jordan
And and then, you know, the renters are paying for that space for you. So that's another great advantage of being able to utilize the land that you have. And and there's a lot of properties in Nanaimo that could get a carriage house. So if you have any interest in trying to build a carriage house on your property, let us know.

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Jordan
And we'd love to be able to offer those services to you. Yeah.

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Rhiannon
Another thing that we could add to that too is an income property as well. If you if you're in a higher dense density area of town and you think, okay, maybe we can get a small carriage house for somebody passing through to do business or something.

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Jordan
College, too, maybe.

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Rhiannon
Exactly - the university. It would be good close to the university village. So just think very economical, small compact for maybe an international student or a local student, whatever. Yeah, but it's just another sort of another spin to put on the carriage house as well. Income property. And I mean, I'd be interested to hear what anybody has. Is there any other end user you think that we should sort of think about?

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Rhiannon
Yeah, think about when it comes to designing like a small a small functional space. What? We're. Sorry, go ahead. No, no, no.

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Jordan
It is something that it is something that we're working on right now. So yeah, hopefully we'll get that out in the next little while. And when it is available, we'll let you know on the podcast or or even through our social media. I really appre... Do you have anything more to add?

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Rhiannon
No, no, I think yeah. I think we gave a pretty well-rounded explanation breakdown of what we could provide to them.

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Jordan
So yeah. Yeah. So yet again on our website, we're going to have for every podcast there's going to be a blog post, maybe not every, but for the there's going to be a fair amount. And we're looking forward to actually having some other people come in and join us at the table. I think that’ll be great. Yeah.

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Jordan
And throughout this, we're going to be trying to share more about construction and make sure that everybody understands because you know what? That everybody has their job, that they do. And and, you know, it's important to understand that there's a lot to construction and there's a lot of different ways that, you know, things can be priced in. We always get the cost per square foot type questions and and we'll get into that at some point.

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Jordan
But yeah, anyways, I really appreciate everybody watching Episode Two of Better Building with Buck! And at Buck Robertson Contracting, we do contracting with communication.

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Rhiannon
Thanks so much, everybody!

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Jordan
Bye for now!

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Hello. My name's Jordan.

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My name's Rhiannon.

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And this is “Better
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We are going to discuss cost
per square foot and how much

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it costs to build a house
on Vancouver Island.

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So today
we're going to kind of discuss

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what that looks like and

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try and give a better
understanding to when people ask

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how much does it cost
per square foot?

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Because that can be
a very interesting question,

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depending on who you're asking
and how educated you are, on

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what kind of response you want
to get back out of that.

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Because if

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if you just ask that question
without understanding

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what we're going to discuss
today,

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you could be mislead-ed
- mislead

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or you may disqualify a builder
because you didn't actually...

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what they believed was cost
per square foot

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compared to what you believe was
cost per square foot...

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It's it's

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it's trying to get the apples
to apples,

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especially when you're comparing
any pricing to anybody else’s.

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So yeah, I guess today
Rhiannon is going to kind of ask

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some questions to me about it

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and then we're going to go
through a bunch of questions

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that would make sense

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that you'd want to understand

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when you are asking a question
like that

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or you're trying to understand

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how much it does cost to build
a house on Vancouver Island.

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Excellent.

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Okay so I'm going to start
with one of the most

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commonly asked questions
and I'm going to kind of pose it

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as if I was like a client
talking to Jordan.

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So first off, so

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I come in, I engage Buck
Robertson Contracting,

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and right off the bat
I'm like, well, what

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what's going to be
the general idea of this cost?

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And that is the broadest
question when it comes to

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this detailed process.

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So first one
I'm going to start with.

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So I come in and say I have shot
the question to Jordan of

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how much is it going
to cost me to build my house?

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Jordan's first question
is probably going to be,

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well, is the land included?

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So that is so tell me
more a little bit about that.

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Yeah, that.

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So it it's important
to understand

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when you're asking
that cost per square foot

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or how much does it cost
to build a house.

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Are you including the land or
are you not including the land?

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Are you are you understanding

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that different land

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costs are vary greatly all over
Vancouver Island?

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So if I guess it's
less about the cost

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per square foot

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and how much is it going
to cost me to build a house

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where this kind of question
plays more into?

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Because

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if it is really if you're like,
say, you're comparing

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am I going to buy a house
or am I going to build a house?

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And so understanding the

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difference on okay, well, this
this house is actually the house

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house costs plus the land costs
that comes to that price.

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So if

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you're looking in the market

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and trying to understand
what you want,

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it's it's good to understand,
you know, what you're doing,

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the apples to apples.

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I'm probably going
to repeat that a lot today.

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But it's it's very important.

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It's interesting because
there's not a very standardized

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process in how construction
is put together and costing.

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And everybody prices
things a little bit differently

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and understand
that every project is

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a prototype is important to

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so that if if you're trying
to get an idea of price,

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you actually have to understand
a lot more about

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where this house is and kind of.

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Yeah.

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Other questions like that,
but... Good. Thanks, Jordan.

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Cool. Okay.

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So the next question that is

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we would frequently ask
our clients

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who are engaging with
us would be,

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so what type of home
are you interested in designing?

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What type of home
are you interested in building?

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And if you shoot back
to our Episode 2,

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we can elaborate further.

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We did elaborate further on what

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tech home you could be building
so you can go back and do that.

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But so Jordan.

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Jordan would be asking me, well,
what do you want to build?

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Yeah. So there's, there's,

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you know, you could be trying
to build a one storey house.

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It could be a walk-out rancher,
could be a two storey house,

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could be a, you know, going back
to like a single storey.

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It could be like
a sprawling house

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where like, you know, maybe

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it's separated into quadrants
and you got breezeways.

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So now you're having to build
these like

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sections out to different parts
of the property

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to make it all connect together.

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You could have a flat roof,
a peaked roof, a you know,

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it goes on and on.

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The complexity
of the design, too,

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and trying to understand that
all of those parts too can be,

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you know, more
or less expensive.

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But yeah, there's there's
a lot of pieces and and and

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to try and broadly put a stroke
on how much does it cost

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is is really not an easy answer.

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Yeah that would be
very difficult to determine

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that early on in the stages.

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Cool. So
you want to move on to the next?

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Yeah, you might as well,
yeah sure.

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So next would be

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another question to kind of
consider is would, would it be

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just the minimum code
requirement type house

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or would it be
a high functioning house?

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And that would be relative

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to sort of

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if you were planning
on designing your

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your forever custom home

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or you just wanted to do this
for resale or something.

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So yeah, so when,

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when we're thinking about what
type of home, we can have a code

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minimum built house
which is going to be the legal,

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the minimum legal requirements
that you could build a home to,

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which is there's nothing,
nothing wrong with that house.

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It's just you're not going

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to have the same level of
of comfort within the home. So

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we will talk more
about comfort in the future.

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And and

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and what kind of different
degrees of comfort you can have.

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But I think everybody's been
in a house where

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you're, let's say the summer
and you're upstairs

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in the second story
of this house.

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And it's so hot
that you'd rather be outside,

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because it is

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it's actually nicer outside

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because you have a breeze
compared

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to being in in
the second story of the house.

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So that's a house that has very
little thermal comfort.

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So what we're going to talk
about is a little bit today

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and we will go in to it
more in the future,

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is what
a high performance home is.

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And a high performance
home is something that's

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got a really good building
envelope.

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It's got a good fresh
air system.

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So so you say
you have a good exchange of nice

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fresh air coming into your house
to make sure you stay healthy

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and comfortable all year round.

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But yeah, and then
and then when you think about

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high performance homes,
there's also different degrees.

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So right now
in our building code,

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we have a Step 3 home, a Step 4
home, and a Step 5 home.

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And each one of those brings
a little bit different

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level of comfort.

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We're moving towards this
Step 5 home, which is a net zero

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or net zero ready home,

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which that's another

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thing we'll discuss
more about in the future.

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But there's also a passive

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house, which is then
another level above that.

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But yeah, it
going through and understanding

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what type of home you want.

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And you know what,
maybe going into this process,

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you don't know what
a high performance home is.

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And that's

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something that we will sit down
and explain to you about what

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what the advantages are.

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One of the big advantages in

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my mind is the durability
in which you have for your home.

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Longevity, I was thinking too,

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like just longevity of products
and in the home itself.

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So yeah, for sure.

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They, they,

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they say with a passive,
passive home that you could heat

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your whole house
with a blow dryer.

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So you're actually trying to
like any heat that gets inside,

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you're actually trying
to deal with

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how we’re exhausting that and
and that's where

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a HRV or an ERV
comes in in handy.

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And we definitely

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will go into more in the future
about what that is and

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and try and educate everybody
so that they,

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when they go
to pick out this house

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and they're trying to think
about the cost per square foot

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or they're trying to think about

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how much is this house
going to cost me?

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They're actually also thinking

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about the health

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and the comfort in which you're

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you're
expecting out of this home

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so that you can then yet again
go apples to apples.

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Are you comparing the builder
that's building a code

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minimum house

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or are you built going

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and you're comparing

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a high performance home to
another high performance home?

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So that's
that kind of wrapped up in a

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maybe a neat
little bow that needs to be...

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opened up later.

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Yeah, definitely.

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We will be elaborating
on that much further I hope.

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Hoping to get some guest

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speakers in regards to net zero
and passive houses as well.

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So stay tuned for that. Yeah.

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So next I am so I'm just going
to give you an example

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as me as a client. So hi.

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I'm looking at this super flat
lot in a subdivision or I'm

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looking at this crazy
sloping lot on Pender

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Island with a ton of rock
and boulders very close

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to the high watermark,
which is going to be

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what are the costs going to be
in comparison to those, Jordan?

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Yeah,

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so those are

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two completely
different projects

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and both of those projects could
happen on Vancouver Island.

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So understanding that the lot

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in which you're
planning on building

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on has a huge, huge impact on
the total cost of your project.

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So one of those things could be,
for instance, does this

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this lot even have a road
or a driveway to it?

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You could be having to deal
with bringing in power.

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You could have to have septic,
you could have to have a well,

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you could you could have
some sort of riparian zone.

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Riparian, yeah...

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Riparian area,

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which is when she's talking
about being by the water.

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You could also have that

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if you have a course of water
going to your property.

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But yeah, those are things
that would impact your project.

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So understanding the land.

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Oh, I guess one
other thing about that too is

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are you building on rock
or are you building on something

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that you can dig, dig
a hole that's, you know,

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two or three feet
deep, put a foundation in and

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and go from there.

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Those are two completely
different projects.

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You could have rock breaking
or blasting, you know, from,

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let's call it like

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$30,000 up to hundred
plus thousand dollars

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if you're trying to build
on the side of a mountain.

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And then the engineering
and all.

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The engineering, yeah,
we've got, you know, huge posts

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going into these areas.

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You got to think about
those costs as well. Yeah, yeah.

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There's yeah.

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So and,

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and you know,

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when you have a design
build company,

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they have the ability
to kind of navigate

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through these design choices
as it's getting developed

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instead of having a plan
that gets designed.

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And then now you're
trying to go out and get pricing

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because you've designed
this really spectacular home

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that you really got drawn up
and you couldn't afford.

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So when you have design build,
it can definitely kind of help

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you navigate
and understand like,

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you know, you could
be between this and this

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for pricing

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and you go,

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mm, maybe that's not
how much money

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I want
to spend on my foundation.

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And the view was great,
but do I want to spend

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to get out of the ground
$200,000.

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It's, it's
a, it's a question to be had.

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So, yeah. Yeah.

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So the next question that we've
organized is the kind of just

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it was very similar to
what we had just talked about.

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So what does the land
look like that

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you're
trying to build this home on?

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So we kind of
just went over that.

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It's hugely varying all over
Vancouver Island.

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Sorry, I’ll
let you take over there.

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No, no, no, that's fine.

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And, you know, like there's
different soil conditions too.

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You could have clay

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there's like up in Duncan,
they have like a lot of

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they have some shale
and some of developments.

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I wouldn't looked at one
the other year.

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And so yeah,
we have all different sources,

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types of material
where some places

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where you build you can be
you'll be digging and most often

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you're digging in something
very similar.

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But here we have just all sorts
of different conditions.

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Ecologically sensitive areas
as well.

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And a lot of protected trees,
which is really important.

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And that also

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will drive up the cost

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because you're going to need
to be getting

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other professionals
in here to determine.

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So I didn't mean to interrupt
you there.

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No, no, no, no, no. That's good.

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Yeah.

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No, whatever you got
to feed into this is great.

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Yeah.

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So just things like that

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will add
into the cost of your property

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that people are

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typically not aware of
until we say, okay, well,

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you have to engage
in this other professional

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and this other professional to

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to get the ball
kind of rolling. So.

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Yeah, I'm sorry.

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Go on.

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No, no, I probably don't
have much more to add to that.

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Cool, we've kind of covered
a lot in the last question.

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That one too.

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So okay, cool.

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So this I'm super interested to
hear your input on this one. So

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what would be a better building
time for me, Jordan?

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Should I be planning
to build in the spring

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or should I be planning
to build in the fall?

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So the question is posed for

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what time of year
are we going to be building

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and how is that going
to affect the cost?

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Yeah, so say
you were just starting to frame

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in the middle of winter.

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So you're going to have the fact
that your house

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has got soaking wet.

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So you're probably going
to have like about,

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let's call it maybe a week

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delay in the project

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just to make sure that you get
it really good and dry

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before you start
sticking insulation in the wall.

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Because
the last thing that you want

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is for the walls to start

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molding out and have moisture
stuck within the materials.

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So yes, the building
inspector does come and he

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does do
a moisture test on the wood.

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But if he misses somewhere

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and you haven't actually tried
to dry the house out the best

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you can, then obviously there's
going to be a cost to that.

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Another thing
to think about, too, is

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I think this was also posed a
little bit about timeline about.

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Yep, the next question is
timeline.

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Okay, so we can kind of cover
that if you wanted. Yeah.

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So the timeline too.

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So like it
if you are trying to really fast

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track your house and the speed
in which it needs to be built,

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there's also there's

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an amount of planning
that has to go into that.

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So yeah, everybody wants

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to build their house
as fast as you can.

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And yes, every project

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should have a schedule
built out in a timeline.

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But some people really want
to get in as soon as possible.

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So what ends up happening,
and we call it it's

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trade stacking,

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where you have more than one
trade

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that's at the building
at one time.

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And and it

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it it drives

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it trades nuts
because all they want to do

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is they want to go,
they want to do their job,

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and have the space
in which to do that.

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And they don't want to be
climbing over,

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you know,
this guy's got his ladder

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there and I'm supposed
to be trying to do this.

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And so there's the trades

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are they have
the potential of losing money.

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So if they need to do the job
as fast as they can,

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they need to make sure

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that they can get in there
and be able to do the work

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that they that they can.

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So that organization
of of coordinating

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everybody has to go
even to a higher level.

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And yeah,
so I think that understanding

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that the timeline of a project
is important.

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Also, when it comes to timeline,
you can also think about like

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how do
we have everything picked out

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and is everything going
to be there in that timeline?

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Say you you haven't
even picked out your kitchen,

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but you want to build your house
and in the next

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say it was three months
or something,

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you want your house
built in three months,

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which would be a pretty quick
house.

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It'd be,
I don't know, almost possible.

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But your your kitchen
might not even be ready.

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So just understanding that.

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Stressed, thinking about it.

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*Laughs* Yeah, well, you know,
sometimes you got to try and see

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if you can make something work,
but that's, you know,

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it's, it's a matter of
just going through that process

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and seeing, okay,
can we actually make this work?

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And and sometimes things work
and sometimes they don't.

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But, you know,

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if you don't plan for it, you're
definitely not

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going to have success
for that project.

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Yeah, unexpected things happen
even if you've planned up

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and down for things.

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So, it's really important

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to just plan
as best as you possibly can.

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Yup - pandemic happens

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and you can't find any material
that you need.

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And, and everybody is

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working more than they ever
thought that they were going to.

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And so
yeah, you can't get the trades,

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you can't get the material,
can't get the...

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Can't get the plans.

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We were backlogged
for like four or five months,

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I think, through the pandemic,
it was it was bonkers.

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So that's something
that's not foreseen.

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So yeah. Skip that one.

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Go right next to this one.

00:17:09:23 - 00:17:10:14
Yeah. Yeah.

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Good.

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Okay, so the next important
question that I feel like

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we would be asking before
you started your project was

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how big
do you want your home to be

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and how does that affect
the cost?

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Yeah.

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So when it goes to
how big is your home,

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the I'm always going

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to be trying to

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bring your house size down
because we're going to be trying

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to understand
how you function in your house.

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I talked about that a little bit
on the last podcast about,

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you know, understanding

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you know,
how you function in your house

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so you can make that house
smaller.

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And when you make your smaller,
you can also potentially,

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if your
budget allows it, you could

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up the quality of of the things

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which also could potentially
make it more durable.

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Having a durable
home is is great

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because who's got time
to be monkeying

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around with getting people out
to come in

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and work on their house again
after,

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you know, you feel like you
just finished it?

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Yeah, for sure.

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And then so something else about
how big is the house is like.

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So the

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when we talk about cost
per square foot, the cost

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per square foot potentially on
a house can actually go down

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when you make
when it gets bigger.

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But the soft cost,

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which are all the costs
that are associated with going

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getting organized
to get the project started,

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they can go up as well
as things like

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the management on a project
because that gets extended.

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So if you were asking somebody
and they were trying

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and you were going, okay,
how much does it cost

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per square foot
to build a house?

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Then they're going to say,

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Well, typically
we build 6000 square foot homes.

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So it costs this much
where compared to

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if you asked another builder
that usually builds 1500

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to 2000 square foot,

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square foot homes, they
might say a different number.

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But the thing is, is

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is if it's a smaller house,
you still need a kitchen,

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you still need a bathroom,
you still need laundry room.

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You still need

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I don't know,

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those are some of the more
expensive rooms in the house.

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So that ups the cost
per square foot

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compared to a bigger home
where you got,

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you know, more
just surface area.

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Yeah,
you're still paying for framing

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and flooring and blah blah blah,
but you're not paying for.

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Cabinets...

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Cabinets
and millwork and stuff like that

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unless you're going to a really
high level finish of a house.

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And then yeah, maybe you're not

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you're not saving any money

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at cost per square foot
because you have, you know.

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Wainscoting or sorry.
No, no, no.

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That's exactly.

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No, I want to hear that.

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Bunch of extra

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architectural details, you know,
which cove moldings and such.

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Yeah.

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And then it goes on and on

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like that, that,
that cost per square foot.

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So understanding
what kind of house you're

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trying to build is important

00:20:01:03 - 00:20:03:16
and, and
making sure you get that across,

00:20:04:20 - 00:20:08:05
or at least you're open
to hearing somebody's opinion

00:20:08:05 - 00:20:11:05
about it instead of, you know,
calling up and going, hey,

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how much does it cost to build
per square foot?

00:20:13:19 - 00:20:16:01
Okay, thank you. Bye.

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So, like, you didn't
you didn't solve any problem.

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All you did
was you're trying to find out

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who is going to do the house
for the cheapest.

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And you will absolutely get

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the cheapest person
to build your house.

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And that might not turn out
so great.

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I'm not bitter about it at all.

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No, not at all. Oh,

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okay, good.

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So our next question
that we're gonna be posing

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in regards
to building your house

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and what it would cost is,

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is this all going to need
engineering?

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So given sort of the desires
for what

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people want in their homes
today, i.e.

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open concepts, big windows,
tall walls, vaulted ceilings,

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a lot
of the designs will require

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a little bit of engineering.

00:21:02:25 - 00:21:04:21
So that's sort of what
I have to add to that,

00:21:04:21 - 00:21:06:26
and I'll get Jordan
to kind of tap in.

00:21:06:26 - 00:21:08:09
But yeah, sorry.

00:21:08:09 - 00:21:09:16
Yeah. That’s okay. Yeah.

00:21:09:16 - 00:21:13:03
So some projects
will need engineering,

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especially if you have
a really complicated project.

00:21:15:14 - 00:21:19:13
So that goes back again
to kind of the first question of

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what kind of house
are we trying to build.

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So if if you're
if you're trying to get

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from you, what you have in
your head is a big part of it.

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So if you don't
if you can't articulate that or

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you don't have some sort
of design to look to, and you're

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you're literally just trying

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to figure out a cost
without understanding

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what type of project
you're trying to build.

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Then you're not

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you're
not able to get an answer.

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And the thing is, it's like

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the answer that you're going to
get is going to

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most builders
will should be able

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or should be saying something

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that's pretty wide open
because they don't know.

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And and as you go through this
design and

00:22:03:07 - 00:22:06:26
and and build
or get a plan designer

00:22:07:04 - 00:22:09:06
or an architect
to draw you some plans,

00:22:09:14 - 00:22:12:08
then you start to figure out
what the scope of work is.

00:22:12:08 - 00:22:15:01
And then somebody can start to
put pricing towards something.

00:22:15:01 - 00:22:18:13
Because, you know,
every project is a prototype.

00:22:18:20 - 00:22:23:02
We don't, we don't we're not
an assembly line and we have to

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design things
and work our way through it.

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And and then
and then some things

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need to end up
going to the engineer.

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And you know what?

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The engineer isn't always
this cost

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that people are like, Oh,
we got to get this engineer in.

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And they go, Oh, Jesus,
like a can we afford that?

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And usually, like,

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depending
on the scope of the work,

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the engineer could be

00:22:43:22 - 00:22:47:15
like a percent or less
than a percent of the total

00:22:47:15 - 00:22:50:07
cost of
the project. So, you know,

00:22:51:11 - 00:22:52:15
it really depends.

00:22:52:15 - 00:22:56:14
So like if you're going
crazy, architectural design

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something where like,
you know, maybe your half

00:22:59:13 - 00:23:02:14
your house is floating out
and it looks like cantilever.

00:23:02:14 - 00:23:04:06
Cantilever stuff. Yeah.

00:23:04:06 - 00:23:07:00
A bunch of weird engineering...

00:23:07:04 - 00:23:10:04
Infinity pool,
big hot tub and huge posts...

00:23:10:05 - 00:23:11:03
and sorry.

00:23:11:03 - 00:23:12:14
No, not exactly. And yeah.

00:23:12:14 - 00:23:14:01
So as soon as you start

00:23:14:01 - 00:23:16:28
getting out of out of part nine,
which is

00:23:18:16 - 00:23:20:02
where most construction is,

00:23:20:02 - 00:23:23:02
then it starts to get
a little bit

00:23:23:02 - 00:23:24:01
more complicated.

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And, and the more things
that you design outside

00:23:26:07 - 00:23:28:07
part nine
that can't have a definition

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or like a, a detail or way
in which they can approach that

00:23:32:28 - 00:23:35:29
and get those like part nine,
then there's a cost associated.

00:23:35:29 - 00:23:38:22
But you know, just
want to sort of add to is is

00:23:40:05 - 00:23:44:12
is it does sound intimidating
when the city does say, oh,

00:23:44:13 - 00:23:44:20
you know,

00:23:44:20 - 00:23:47:01
we need a Schedule B here
and that means you need

00:23:47:01 - 00:23:48:20
an engineer -
it does sound intimidating.

00:23:48:20 - 00:23:51:07
But also just keep in mind
that sometimes those engineers

00:23:51:07 - 00:23:52:22
are just coming in
and they're specifying

00:23:52:22 - 00:23:54:21
one big beam in your house
and that's it.

00:23:54:21 - 00:23:57:23
So it's it can be a smaller
amount of engineering

00:23:57:23 - 00:24:00:27
as long as you're planning
for that, that in your mind

00:24:01:15 - 00:24:05:01
it can be not as intimidating
to get an engineer on a project.

00:24:05:05 - 00:24:07:23
Yeah, that that's pretty -
that's a good way of putting it,

00:24:07:23 - 00:24:10:24
because you hear it and you go,
oh, that's either going to cost

00:24:10:24 - 00:24:13:18
much or, or how long
is this going to take too?

00:24:13:24 - 00:24:18:18
And yeah, sometimes there is a
there's a time penalty or a time

00:24:20:15 - 00:24:22:29
issue with,
you know, trying to figure out,

00:24:23:06 - 00:24:25:11
okay, now
we have to find an engineer or,

00:24:25:11 - 00:24:28:04
you know, maybe this city saw
something that you didn't see.

00:24:28:04 - 00:24:30:18
Well, you were designing and now
you have to get an engineer.

00:24:32:12 - 00:24:34:18
Sometimes on projects

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you can
you will be building something

00:24:38:07 - 00:24:41:23
and and you're part of the way
through building it.

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And then the inspector will come
and he will

00:24:44:25 - 00:24:46:18
then tell you
that you need an engineer

00:24:46:18 - 00:24:50:03
on something that wasn't called
out on your plans and also

00:24:51:19 - 00:24:52:27
you hadn't seen either.

00:24:52:27 - 00:24:54:22
So then they look at it
and they go,

00:24:54:22 - 00:24:56:19
Oh, no, no, no,
this doesn't work.

00:24:56:19 - 00:24:58:09
You have to get an engineer.

00:24:58:09 - 00:25:02:15
So and as annoying as it is at
the time, that's a good thing.

00:25:02:15 - 00:25:04:27
It's a good thing that you know
your house -

00:25:04:27 - 00:25:07:18
we obviously want your sound -
your house to be built sound.

00:25:07:18 - 00:25:09:09
So it's definitely

00:25:11:11 - 00:25:13:12
would be frustrating
to hear that from the inspector,

00:25:13:12 - 00:25:15:28
but in the end
it needs to get done

00:25:15:28 - 00:25:17:25
and you'll be,
you'll be better off for it.

00:25:17:25 - 00:25:20:07
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

00:25:20:07 - 00:25:20:19
Yeah.

00:25:20:19 - 00:25:22:16
And the reason
why I kind of brought

00:25:22:16 - 00:25:25:13
that up is just because,
you know,

00:25:25:13 - 00:25:27:21
there are now this plan

00:25:27:28 - 00:25:30:28
that's been designed has gone
through the plan designer.

00:25:30:28 - 00:25:32:11
They've looked it over,

00:25:32:11 - 00:25:34:23
then goes to the builder
they've looked at over

00:25:34:23 - 00:25:37:03
then the plan checker
they've looked it over.

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And it's not until it actually

00:25:38:16 - 00:25:39:22
makes it to site that things

00:25:39:22 - 00:25:42:08
so it start getting put together
that somebody

00:25:42:08 - 00:25:44:10
the building
inspector has notice that

00:25:44:17 - 00:25:47:27
oh this actually got missed
so you're you're

00:25:47:27 - 00:25:52:17
you're three people through this
the check of your plans before

00:25:52:21 - 00:25:56:14
now it's on site and something's
been made apparent

00:25:58:01 - 00:26:00:00
so it's there is

00:26:00:00 - 00:26:03:22
it's just good to understand
that like we are not

00:26:04:02 - 00:26:05:23
we are building things
in the field.

00:26:05:23 - 00:26:08:23
And so making sure that you are

00:26:09:23 - 00:26:12:15
aware that,
you know, it's a process and

00:26:12:15 - 00:26:14:19
and you just got to kind of work
your way through that.

00:26:15:23 - 00:26:18:16
And just because
you need to get engineering

00:26:18:16 - 00:26:22:25
does not mean that,
you know, it's a fatal part of

00:26:23:06 - 00:26:27:12
your project not being able
to move ahead or or work.

00:26:27:16 - 00:26:28:11
Absolutely.

00:26:28:11 - 00:26:29:17
I've worked with engineers

00:26:29:17 - 00:26:32:10
who've just designed like
a single knee brace that we just

00:26:33:01 - 00:26:35:06
specked on on a house
for a big deck.

00:26:35:18 - 00:26:37:07
So it's not as intimidating
as it sounds.

00:26:37:07 - 00:26:38:16
Yeah, yeah. Cool.

00:26:38:16 - 00:26:41:04
Yeah, good. Okay, good.

00:26:41:04 - 00:26:42:12
So next question.

00:26:42:12 - 00:26:44:11
That's a pretty common question
that we would ask

00:26:44:11 - 00:26:45:23
in regards to pricing is

00:26:45:23 - 00:26:49:28
what type of finishes
do you want to see in your home?

00:26:49:28 - 00:26:54:06
So yeah, so like there's,
there's all different

00:26:54:06 - 00:26:59:05
types of material and there's
all different levels of finish

00:27:00:05 - 00:27:00:27
also like

00:27:00:27 - 00:27:04:11
the level of quality
that things get finished at.

00:27:04:21 - 00:27:08:11
So understanding
that different builders

00:27:08:11 - 00:27:10:24
have different subtrades
that come in too is important.

00:27:10:24 - 00:27:14:06
So going out and actually
walking somebody's job or,

00:27:14:12 - 00:27:16:05
or watching a video

00:27:16:05 - 00:27:18:08
that somebody
has made of their projects

00:27:18:08 - 00:27:20:19
so you can have a good idea
of what their,

00:27:20:22 - 00:27:24:16
their quality of finish is is
important because it goes back

00:27:24:16 - 00:27:26:25
to the apples,
apples to apples that,

00:27:27:20 - 00:27:30:21
you know, just because somebody
is going to build your house

00:27:30:21 - 00:27:32:27
for x per square foot
does not mean that you're

00:27:32:27 - 00:27:36:20
going to get the same house
for the next person.

00:27:36:20 - 00:27:39:13
And yeah,
so we're talk about finishes. So

00:27:40:21 - 00:27:43:06
the level of finish,

00:27:43:06 - 00:27:45:23
you know,
you can go from a hardwood floor

00:27:45:23 - 00:27:50:05
to a laminate floor and,
and anything in between as far

00:27:50:05 - 00:27:51:12
as is as quality.

00:27:51:12 - 00:27:53:27
And then inside
each one of those

00:27:54:20 - 00:27:55:26
types of flooring,

00:27:55:26 - 00:27:57:13
then you have a level of,

00:27:57:13 - 00:27:59:23
of quality
of those types of flooring.

00:28:00:05 - 00:28:02:16
So yeah, the

00:28:03:21 - 00:28:05:09
finish
on the inside of the house,

00:28:05:09 - 00:28:06:17
maybe isn't the like

00:28:06:17 - 00:28:09:12
main thing that's going to break
your budget on your project.

00:28:09:20 - 00:28:11:00
But it is important

00:28:11:00 - 00:28:14:05
to understand that every time
you put another layer...

00:28:15:04 - 00:28:16:29
so let's talk about trim,
for instance.

00:28:16:29 - 00:28:19:14
So say
you have some very basic trim

00:28:20:22 - 00:28:24:24
and somebody told you, yeah,
we can finish your house and

00:28:25:00 - 00:28:26:16
and, and you don't even ask

00:28:26:16 - 00:28:27:15
about the trim package

00:28:27:15 - 00:28:29:04
because you just assume
in your mind

00:28:29:04 - 00:28:32:07
that this is the type of trim
that every house has.

00:28:32:07 - 00:28:35:00
But you could you

00:28:35:00 - 00:28:36:23
you could also have
multiple layers.

00:28:36:23 - 00:28:39:00
So every time you have
another layer of trim,

00:28:39:05 - 00:28:41:02
that's another time
that somebody who has to

00:28:41:02 - 00:28:42:20
do a lap around your house.

00:28:42:20 - 00:28:44:20
So the more layers
that you build out,

00:28:44:20 - 00:28:47:05
you're kind of multiplying
that cost.

00:28:47:12 - 00:28:48:21
And then also there's

00:28:48:21 - 00:28:52:00
the caulking and the sanding or
if it's, you know, a wood trim,

00:28:52:00 - 00:28:56:00
then maybe it's the level
of craftsmanship

00:28:56:00 - 00:28:57:21
that you actually have to have

00:28:57:21 - 00:29:00:23
of, of, of trades that come in
because all those joints

00:29:00:23 - 00:29:04:01
that finish up have to finish,
you know, pretty damn good

00:29:04:28 - 00:29:07:06
if you have any kind of
workmanship.

00:29:08:01 - 00:29:10:16
Cool. I move on to the next?

00:29:10:18 - 00:29:11:13
Yeah, that sounds good.

00:29:11:13 - 00:29:12:24
This -
so we did kind of touch on this

00:29:12:24 - 00:29:14:26
in one of our last questions,
but let's chat about it again.

00:29:14:26 - 00:29:16:27
So availability of materials.

00:29:17:19 - 00:29:21:12
Yeah, so the availability
of materials is really crucial

00:29:21:12 - 00:29:24:14
in understanding the timeline
in which material

00:29:24:14 - 00:29:25:17
needs to get there.

00:29:25:17 - 00:29:29:26
So every product or

00:29:29:26 - 00:29:33:26
not every but lots of products,
you should make sure that you

00:29:35:02 - 00:29:36:09
start building out a timeline

00:29:36:09 - 00:29:37:01
when that person

00:29:37:01 - 00:29:38:25
has to pick out that product

00:29:38:25 - 00:29:40:24
for when it would have
to be delivered.

00:29:40:24 - 00:29:44:22
So usually a good kind of
rule of thumb is the person

00:29:44:27 - 00:29:47:03
that you're going to be ordering
those products from...

00:29:47:03 - 00:29:49:14
you kind of give them a rough
idea of what you're going to be

00:29:49:15 - 00:29:50:24
having for materials.

00:29:50:24 - 00:29:52:16
Then you're going to ask them,
okay, what?

00:29:52:16 - 00:29:54:17
What are you having issues
with getting right now?

00:29:54:24 - 00:29:56:25
Now, the pandemic didn't help
because it was like

00:29:56:25 - 00:29:58:26
this is a roller
coaster of like,

00:29:58:26 - 00:30:00:17
okay, I can't get any of this.

00:30:00:17 - 00:30:02:08
And then you have that material

00:30:02:08 - 00:30:03:16
and then you can't
get any of that.

00:30:03:16 - 00:30:06:01
And so the whole time
you're trying to build, you’re

00:30:06:01 - 00:30:08:10
chasing around these products
and maybe you

00:30:08:10 - 00:30:10:00
they they call it front loading

00:30:10:00 - 00:30:11:23
where you're actually
ordering materials

00:30:11:23 - 00:30:13:11
before the project started.

00:30:13:11 - 00:30:15:05
And then when you get to
that part,

00:30:15:05 - 00:30:17:05
maybe that material
is actually available.

00:30:17:09 - 00:30:19:01
But now something else
that you need

00:30:19:01 - 00:30:20:20
has now not been available.

00:30:20:20 - 00:30:23:15
So now you're still at
a standstill in the same spot.

00:30:23:15 - 00:30:24:20
It's just a different.

00:30:24:20 - 00:30:27:15
So for instance,
when COVID was happening

00:30:27:15 - 00:30:30:09
was really hard to get four
inch perforated pipe, which is

00:30:30:19 - 00:30:33:08
what wraps around your house
so that the perimeter drain

00:30:34:04 - 00:30:36:26
runs the water
that gets through the dirt

00:30:37:01 - 00:30:40:15
and runs it out to the road
or daylight it or whatever.

00:30:41:00 - 00:30:42:03
That was really hard to find.

00:30:42:03 - 00:30:43:20
So if you were trying
to build your project

00:30:43:20 - 00:30:44:01
and you couldn't

00:30:44:01 - 00:30:45:26
find a four inch perforated
pipe,

00:30:45:26 - 00:30:48:05
your project
is actually stopped,

00:30:48:05 - 00:30:51:07
or at least the backfill
stopped, which makes it then

00:30:51:07 - 00:30:53:27
harder
for the framers to get started

00:30:53:27 - 00:30:54:15
because you have to

00:30:54:15 - 00:30:56:29
get that inspected
and it has to be installed.

00:30:57:18 - 00:30:59:11
So yeah, you could,

00:31:00:09 - 00:31:00:29
you know,

00:31:00:29 - 00:31:03:18
backfill your
whole your whole foundation,

00:31:03:27 - 00:31:05:16
the whole outside of your house

00:31:05:16 - 00:31:08:14
and then wait for your perimeter
drain

00:31:08:14 - 00:31:10:23
to show up
and then re dig it all up.

00:31:10:23 - 00:31:12:15
But then there's a cost to that,
right?

00:31:12:15 - 00:31:13:07
So that's just

00:31:13:07 - 00:31:15:20
kind of one example of something
that happened recently

00:31:16:12 - 00:31:19:14
and there was all sorts of other
weird things and there's glass

00:31:19:14 - 00:31:20:24
shortages and blah
blah blah blah blah,

00:31:20:24 - 00:31:22:18
but some things are starting
to settle out.

00:31:22:18 - 00:31:23:05
So that's good.

00:31:23:05 - 00:31:24:02
And, and, you

00:31:24:02 - 00:31:27:03
know, navigating through that
and having a good pulse on on

00:31:28:04 - 00:31:31:15
what's what's affected
and what's not is, is key and

00:31:31:23 - 00:31:34:24
and asking your contractor,
okay, well, what do you think is

00:31:35:01 - 00:31:36:12
what's an issue right now?

00:31:36:12 - 00:31:38:24
And maybe he's not going to have
the answer for you right then.

00:31:38:24 - 00:31:41:01
And that's probably a good thing
because he's going to go out

00:31:41:01 - 00:31:43:10
and actually ask
the people that are

00:31:43:20 - 00:31:45:02
are closer to the front lines

00:31:45:02 - 00:31:47:06
because there's so many
different types of material

00:31:47:14 - 00:31:49:12
that has to go into a project.

00:31:49:12 - 00:31:50:11
Yes, yeah. Yeah.

00:31:50:11 - 00:31:52:15
So cool.
Interesting thanks for that.

00:31:53:15 - 00:31:54:08
Outdoor areas.

00:31:54:08 - 00:31:55:28
So that's another thing
that we haven't actually

00:31:55:28 - 00:31:58:19
chatted
about outdoor areas or garages.

00:31:59:02 - 00:32:01:15
So is this are you going to have
an enclosed garage?

00:32:01:16 - 00:32:02:22
Are you going to have a carport?

00:32:02:22 - 00:32:05:09
Are there going to be
any outdoor decks, patios?

00:32:06:29 - 00:32:09:12
That's another question
that Jordan would be posing.

00:32:09:26 - 00:32:10:08
Yeah.

00:32:10:08 - 00:32:11:28
So in

00:32:11:28 - 00:32:13:22
when I was thinking
about this question,

00:32:13:22 - 00:32:14:23
I was thinking about it

00:32:14:23 - 00:32:18:17
as when you're asking
the contractor about this cost

00:32:18:17 - 00:32:19:09
per square foot,

00:32:19:09 - 00:32:22:04
are they including the garage
or not including the garage?

00:32:22:09 - 00:32:24:14
Are they including the covered
porch?

00:32:24:14 - 00:32:25:09
The deck.

00:32:25:09 - 00:32:27:28
The covered deck, yeah.

00:32:28:24 - 00:32:31:09
All of these pieces
that they still need a roof.

00:32:31:29 - 00:32:33:08
They still need walls.

00:32:33:08 - 00:32:34:06
So I'll say it's a garage.

00:32:34:06 - 00:32:36:08
So the garage still needs it.

00:32:36:08 - 00:32:40:09
Still needs a roof, still needs
walls, still needs a slab.

00:32:40:09 - 00:32:42:04
So it needs concrete
underneath it.

00:32:42:04 - 00:32:45:21
So now you've
maybe cut out or so it

00:32:45:28 - 00:32:50:29
usually will get insulation,
drywall, lighting.

00:32:50:29 - 00:32:55:03
The only thing that it doesn't
have is, is a floor finish.

00:32:55:03 - 00:32:55:26
And depending

00:32:55:26 - 00:32:57:23
on what you actually want
your garage

00:32:57:23 - 00:33:00:24
to look like, the concrete,
you could actually be making

00:33:00:24 - 00:33:04:04
that up as far
as like say you went with a

00:33:07:01 - 00:33:08:19
oh, what
am I trying to think of...

00:33:08:19 - 00:33:10:24
epoxy floor in your garage.

00:33:10:24 - 00:33:11:23
Then now

00:33:12:22 - 00:33:15:23
that cost per square foot
is exactly the same

00:33:15:23 - 00:33:18:22
as what it's going to cost
you for, you know, the cost

00:33:18:22 - 00:33:21:22
for your living room floor
or living room square footage.

00:33:22:06 - 00:33:24:15
So that's like,
yeah, that's important.

00:33:24:15 - 00:33:25:17
And then when it goes to

00:33:25:17 - 00:33:27:26
like a covered porch
or a covered deck,

00:33:27:26 - 00:33:31:01
so you've got the framing,
you're going to have the deck

00:33:31:01 - 00:33:36:11
finish, you're going to have
the roof, the soffit.

00:33:36:11 - 00:33:38:20
Yeah. So there's
so many pieces there too.

00:33:38:21 - 00:33:42:10
So now if you're not including
so I'm going to kind of

00:33:44:08 - 00:33:46:24
propose a question
and it's like,

00:33:46:24 - 00:33:50:03
yeah,
so say you had a house and,

00:33:50:10 - 00:33:52:11
and you went and you asked

00:33:52:18 - 00:33:54:20
how much does it cost
per square foot?

00:33:54:20 - 00:33:56:10
So now you have this house

00:33:56:10 - 00:33:59:13
and it costs
X amount of dollars, but

00:34:00:04 - 00:34:03:01
and now you start going out
and you ask, okay, this builder,

00:34:03:01 - 00:34:04:27
how much do you charge
per square foot?

00:34:04:27 - 00:34:06:26
How much do you charge
and how much do you charge?

00:34:06:26 - 00:34:10:12
Now, do all those builders
include the cost

00:34:10:12 - 00:34:11:23
per square foot of the garage

00:34:11:23 - 00:34:13:14
and the covered porches,
or do they not?

00:34:13:14 - 00:34:14:23
And what about crawl space?

00:34:14:23 - 00:34:16:28
Is that included
or is that not included?

00:34:16:28 - 00:34:19:26
Now, if if you took

00:34:20:20 - 00:34:23:14
the number, the lowest number,
and that was

00:34:24:00 - 00:34:27:28
that was for
the cost per square foot, but

00:34:29:10 - 00:34:31:06
they didn't
include any of those spaces.

00:34:31:06 - 00:34:32:25
And then you paid that on top.

00:34:32:25 - 00:34:35:07
Then if you were doing that
as like a rough budget

00:34:35:07 - 00:34:37:12
to try and figure out how much
your house is going to cost,

00:34:37:12 - 00:34:38:28
then you're going
be way out of whack.

00:34:38:28 - 00:34:40:18
Think about a a garage.

00:34:40:18 - 00:34:42:14
It's usually 20 by 20.

00:34:42:14 - 00:34:45:25
So 400 hundred square feet
right there and...

00:34:45:25 - 00:34:47:05
Think about a crawl, too,

00:34:47:05 - 00:34:48:23
like all of the additional costs

00:34:48:23 - 00:34:51:07
that go into a huge crawl space.
Yeah.

00:34:51:09 - 00:34:55:12
Be a big punch in the face
or adjustment to your budget

00:34:55:12 - 00:34:57:22
if you weren't expecting that.
I feel like. For sure.

00:34:57:22 - 00:34:58:24
Concrete costs and...

00:34:58:24 - 00:34:59:25
Yeah like in in

00:34:59:25 - 00:35:01:26
you know your crawl space
could be going from,

00:35:02:00 - 00:35:03:29
let's call
it two feet down to six feet.

00:35:03:29 - 00:35:08:15
Well, the whole sidewall that
still has to get sided framed in

00:35:09:14 - 00:35:11:00
or maybe it's concrete.

00:35:11:00 - 00:35:12:10
So that's a cost.

00:35:12:10 - 00:35:14:08
You still have all the floor
joists.

00:35:14:08 - 00:35:17:24
You still have the the

00:35:17:24 - 00:35:20:17
ground seal or slab underneath
that and

00:35:20:24 - 00:35:22:05
and the framing
to get up to there.

00:35:22:05 - 00:35:24:21
So there's obviously
a cost to that.

00:35:24:21 - 00:35:26:29
And so understanding
that, you know,

00:35:27:03 - 00:35:29:26
what house
are we trying to build here?

00:35:29:26 - 00:35:30:25
What's the goal?

00:35:30:25 - 00:35:32:20
What how are we heating
the house?

00:35:32:20 - 00:35:37:02
Because now you might be more
inclined to have a crawl space

00:35:37:02 - 00:35:40:04
because you want to go
with some forced air system,

00:35:40:13 - 00:35:42:16
and that's fine.
But there's a cost to that.

00:35:42:16 - 00:35:44:26
So what kind of house
are we trying to build here?

00:35:45:12 - 00:35:47:00
Cool, awesome.

00:35:47:00 - 00:35:50:10
And finished
or unfinished spaces.

00:35:50:23 - 00:35:54:12
So that's another good question
is like we just worked on

00:35:55:12 - 00:35:59:01
a custom house and they,
they basically plan

00:35:59:01 - 00:36:01:29
the top is like a ranch living
but due to the shape of the lot,

00:36:02:02 - 00:36:04:05
we planned it as a step down

00:36:04:15 - 00:36:06:19
so they could maximize
on that area

00:36:06:19 - 00:36:08:25
and it's basically going to be
an unfinished basement.

00:36:08:25 - 00:36:10:17
So tell us a little bit
about how.

00:36:10:17 - 00:36:12:19
Yeah,
so this is kind of another thing

00:36:12:19 - 00:36:14:23
that goes back to this, the cost
per square foot.

00:36:14:23 - 00:36:16:10
Now how do you determine

00:36:16:10 - 00:36:20:07
your unfinished spaces and
have you not even included that

00:36:20:07 - 00:36:22:06
because you assumed,
oh, it's unfinished.

00:36:22:06 - 00:36:24:16
So maybe I said it was
half the cost

00:36:24:16 - 00:36:26:09
or something like this now.

00:36:26:09 - 00:36:27:19
Okay,
so you still have the frame,

00:36:27:19 - 00:36:30:29
still the installation, still
deciding, you still have

00:36:31:28 - 00:36:34:09
this the slab or floor system

00:36:34:15 - 00:36:38:10
and you still have to drywall,
some of it at least maybe

00:36:38:10 - 00:36:41:25
not to the same level,
electrical, electrical.

00:36:41:25 - 00:36:45:03
You might have rough in plumbing
for a bathroom in the future.

00:36:45:15 - 00:36:48:04
So yeah, you're not saving
a lot of costs.

00:36:48:04 - 00:36:49:26
Windows, too - windows,

00:36:49:26 - 00:36:50:19
you got anything to

00:36:50:19 - 00:36:51:21
put down there as well

00:36:51:21 - 00:36:55:05
if you're planning for bedrooms
in the future and sorry.

00:36:55:05 - 00:36:56:09
No, no, no. Exactly.

00:36:56:09 - 00:36:58:17
And so you're not.

00:36:58:17 - 00:36:58:28
Yeah.

00:36:58:28 - 00:37:00:09
You are saving
a little bit of money

00:37:00:09 - 00:37:01:18
by not finishing it right away.

00:37:01:18 - 00:37:03:18
But it's not to the extent
that I think

00:37:03:18 - 00:37:07:23
most people would think
that it is so understanding

00:37:07:23 - 00:37:10:09
how your house is actually going
to fit onto the lawn

00:37:10:15 - 00:37:13:06
and are you going to have
to build out that

00:37:13:14 - 00:37:16:26
that square footage
anyways to fit the

00:37:17:12 - 00:37:20:15
the house that you're hoping
to put on that land, like

00:37:20:21 - 00:37:22:07
maybe you want a rancher, but

00:37:22:07 - 00:37:24:15
no matter what, you're still
going to have this step down.

00:37:24:19 - 00:37:26:23
Whether you do that
out of concrete

00:37:26:23 - 00:37:29:22
or you frame it, side it,
and make it look like something

00:37:30:02 - 00:37:32:06
that's
you still got to get there

00:37:32:06 - 00:37:34:05
unless you're going
to maybe do it on like a

00:37:35:17 - 00:37:37:20
post and beam style

00:37:37:20 - 00:37:40:23
house where it's, you know,
you've got the whole underside

00:37:42:11 - 00:37:45:11
open, but that's a whole
nother can of worms

00:37:45:11 - 00:37:47:20
to try and generate. Yeah, yeah.

00:37:47:29 - 00:37:48:13
Through all that.

00:37:48:13 - 00:37:50:25
*Do-do-do* that will drive up
those engineerings yeah.

00:37:50:25 - 00:37:52:17
So what kind of house
are we trying to build here?

00:37:52:17 - 00:37:54:12
Yeah, yeah.

00:37:54:25 - 00:37:56:13
Okay, next.
This one's a great question.

00:37:56:13 - 00:37:59:02
So does this
property have services, i.e.

00:37:59:02 - 00:37:59:24
water, sewer

00:37:59:24 - 00:38:02:20
and other utilities to it
or does it need well and septic?

00:38:03:05 - 00:38:06:03
So please elaborate further
on that one for us, Jordan.

00:38:06:20 - 00:38:07:00
Yeah.

00:38:07:00 - 00:38:10:12
So when you go out and you're,

00:38:10:12 - 00:38:14:17
you're looking at land
with a realtor,

00:38:14:18 - 00:38:17:23
you, you're excited,
you want to build a house and,

00:38:18:11 - 00:38:22:18
and you might,
your realtor maybe will be

00:38:22:27 - 00:38:24:21
inclined
to bring up this information

00:38:24:21 - 00:38:27:10
that this is what you're going
to have to sort out.

00:38:27:10 - 00:38:30:05
Say, for instance, okay,
you thought

00:38:30:14 - 00:38:33:00
I got to get the well
and I got to get the septic.

00:38:33:00 - 00:38:35:23
Now, maybe you didn't
kind of think about

00:38:35:23 - 00:38:37:24
how we're going to get power up
here.

00:38:38:15 - 00:38:41:22
So. Okay, so
maybe you were going to have to

00:38:41:22 - 00:38:45:08
bring power from, you know,
a couple of blocks away.

00:38:45:08 - 00:38:46:17
You might have six

00:38:46:17 - 00:38:48:06
telephone poles to put in

00:38:48:06 - 00:38:50:12
before you can actually get
to your house now.

00:38:50:21 - 00:38:52:15
Yeah. Wow. Interesting. Yeah.

00:38:52:15 - 00:38:54:01
And so and B.C.

00:38:54:01 - 00:38:56:28
Hydro is only going to go
so far from each pole.

00:38:57:06 - 00:38:58:17
So now you're

00:38:58:17 - 00:39:01:28
you could be paying for a shit
ton of that work. Wow.

00:39:02:01 - 00:39:05:07
I didn’t - that's a crazy, cool
perspective to share.

00:39:05:08 - 00:39:07:27
That's. I never knew that. Yeah.

00:39:07:28 - 00:39:09:02
Wow. Okay. Yeah.

00:39:09:02 - 00:39:12:12
So there's and, you know,
all these things can change.

00:39:12:12 - 00:39:15:03
And then now so you're
you're thinking about septic.

00:39:15:11 - 00:39:17:14
So how many toilets
are you going to have?

00:39:17:15 - 00:39:19:20
How big is this septic field
going to have to be?

00:39:20:04 - 00:39:22:15
How many dwelling - how many
dwellers are in the house? Yeah.

00:39:22:18 - 00:39:25:02
Are you going to be room
and boarding people.

00:39:25:02 - 00:39:27:15
Are you going to be. Yeah.
That's really important.

00:39:27:16 - 00:39:28:01
Can your

00:39:28:01 - 00:39:30:02
the septic
that you're going to be

00:39:30:02 - 00:39:31:25
installing on your property,
is it going to be able

00:39:31:25 - 00:39:33:15
to handle the house
that you've designed?

00:39:33:15 - 00:39:37:13
And yeah, is the well water
that actually gets drilled

00:39:37:13 - 00:39:39:25
and pulled out,
are you even happy to drink it?

00:39:39:25 - 00:39:41:06
Is it possible? Yeah.

00:39:41:06 - 00:39:43:13
That's like
and then it could also tap into

00:39:43:13 - 00:39:46:20
oh no, we found that
this is now an ecological area

00:39:46:20 - 00:39:48:15
or something and yeah.

00:39:48:15 - 00:39:50:04
So really good question.

00:39:50:04 - 00:39:51:10
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:51:10 - 00:39:55:18
So as you can see, just asking
“how much does it cost?”

00:39:55:24 - 00:39:58:24
without having any of this
information is going to make it

00:39:59:04 - 00:40:00:10
really tricky.

00:40:00:10 - 00:40:03:20
So if if you're wanting to,
you know,

00:40:04:14 - 00:40:08:25
dig into and and start
making a long list of questions

00:40:08:25 - 00:40:12:02
that you may or may not know
to ask, then, yeah.

00:40:12:02 - 00:40:15:05
But if, if you're interested
in, you know, working

00:40:15:05 - 00:40:18:09
with the design build team,
that's going to be able to start

00:40:19:10 - 00:40:21:16
asking you the proper questions
because they've had

00:40:21:16 - 00:40:24:19
the experience to go through
and and ran into these issues.

00:40:25:00 - 00:40:26:23
Maybe they're not going to know
the answer right away.

00:40:26:23 - 00:40:28:25
Maybe they haven't run
into that issue.

00:40:28:25 - 00:40:30:09
But, you know,

00:40:30:09 - 00:40:32:11
builders are really good
problem solvers

00:40:32:11 - 00:40:33:29
and we'll do our best

00:40:33:29 - 00:40:35:05
to try
and get to the bottom of it

00:40:35:05 - 00:40:36:22
and try and get some answers
for you.

00:40:36:22 - 00:40:39:07
Mm hmm. Excellent.

00:40:39:07 - 00:40:41:00
So we've got two more questions
left.

00:40:41:00 - 00:40:43:20
And again, we've kind of touched
on a lot of the things here.

00:40:43:20 - 00:40:45:04
They're all
pretty relative to each other.

00:40:45:04 - 00:40:46:29
So the next one is,

00:40:46:29 - 00:40:49:13
is this a one storey home
or a two storey home?

00:40:50:19 - 00:40:53:05
And we probably don't even need
to go that far into it,

00:40:53:05 - 00:40:54:21
because we did just
elaborate on it.

00:40:54:21 - 00:40:56:12
Yeah, I'd like to share.

00:40:56:12 - 00:40:58:17
So when you're building -
the difference between

00:40:58:17 - 00:41:00:18
a one storey home
and a two storey home is

00:41:01:03 - 00:41:03:12
the two storey home
is always going to be cheaper,

00:41:03:21 - 00:41:07:17
in almost 90
percent of the situations,

00:41:07:17 - 00:41:10:09
because you're going
to share the foundation

00:41:10:20 - 00:41:12:24
and you're also going to share
that that roof.

00:41:13:03 - 00:41:14:26
So then you have a whole

00:41:14:26 - 00:41:17:22
nother floor that's underneath
those two those two

00:41:18:22 - 00:41:19:19
expensive pieces.

00:41:19:19 - 00:41:22:24
The other thing to think about
that long term is your roof.

00:41:22:29 - 00:41:25:24
The durability
and the longevity of the roof

00:41:25:24 - 00:41:28:26
is that now you also,
when you do have to replace

00:41:28:26 - 00:41:32:01
your roof, that
you're only replacing it for

00:41:32:19 - 00:41:35:02
or it's a smaller
square footage of roofing.

00:41:35:07 - 00:41:37:21
So now you don't have to deal
with that.

00:41:37:21 - 00:41:41:19
So that's another, you know,
think thinking about costs,

00:41:42:15 - 00:41:44:15
lifecycle costs or costs of the

00:41:45:14 - 00:41:47:14
the total length
that you're going to live there.

00:41:47:14 - 00:41:48:24
Some people may only live

00:41:48:24 - 00:41:50:06
most people
actually live in a house for,

00:41:50:06 - 00:41:53:07
you know, between seven
and seven and ten years.

00:41:53:07 - 00:41:55:04
And ten years
is probably a stretch.

00:41:55:04 - 00:41:58:08
So understanding, you know,

00:41:58:08 - 00:42:00:03
how long that roof
is going to last,

00:42:00:03 - 00:42:01:22
when you're going
to have to replace it.

00:42:01:22 - 00:42:04:01
How big
is this roof going to be?

00:42:04:01 - 00:42:05:18
Yeah. So that's kind of the

00:42:05:18 - 00:42:07:17
the one storey, two storey
kind of thing.

00:42:07:17 - 00:42:09:05
It's just understanding
that if you go

00:42:09:05 - 00:42:10:22
up, it's cheaper than going out

00:42:10:22 - 00:42:12:16
because you got more foundation
and more roof.

00:42:12:16 - 00:42:13:16
Yeah, interesting.

00:42:13:16 - 00:42:17:11
And more chance for issues
because now you've got more

00:42:17:25 - 00:42:20:17
you've got, oh, I guess two,
you have to dig a bigger hole.

00:42:20:27 - 00:42:21:27
So that's another cost.

00:42:23:11 - 00:42:26:01
And yeah, perimeter
drain and everything else.

00:42:26:01 - 00:42:28:19
And it might not even you know,
you might not

00:42:28:20 - 00:42:30:28
or your lot
might not allow for a rancher

00:42:31:00 - 00:42:32:17
because it's you'd be amazed at

00:42:32:17 - 00:42:34:15
how big ranchers can
when you're trying

00:42:34:15 - 00:42:37:06
to fit everything
in into people's wishlists.

00:42:37:08 - 00:42:38:14
Yeah, well that's fair.

00:42:38:14 - 00:42:40:28
Yeah they can,
they can take up a lot of space.

00:42:40:28 - 00:42:43:03
Yeah. Okay.

00:42:43:03 - 00:42:46:15
So a good last question here
that we've got is

00:42:46:29 - 00:42:47:19
this is a good one.

00:42:47:19 - 00:42:50:00
So how is the accessibility
of the property?

00:42:50:10 - 00:42:54:17
Can we get large machinery
in and out?

00:42:54:17 - 00:42:57:07
So have you had that experience
before?

00:42:57:07 - 00:42:58:29
But yeah, so

00:42:59:04 - 00:43:02:08
the house that we built on
Sywash

00:43:02:08 - 00:43:05:18
Ridge, actually
we have two kind of things...

00:43:06:17 - 00:43:09:04
so on Sywash Ridge, though,

00:43:09:04 - 00:43:12:07
we had the concrete
company come out

00:43:12:13 - 00:43:14:23
and they wanted us
to actually set up

00:43:14:23 - 00:43:15:22
two pump trucks,

00:43:15:22 - 00:43:16:17
one pump truck

00:43:16:17 - 00:43:17:10
at the bottom of the hill

00:43:17:10 - 00:43:19:08
that would pump into
another pump truck,

00:43:19:08 - 00:43:20:18
which
then would pump up the hill

00:43:20:18 - 00:43:22:03
and then would pump into the

00:43:22:03 - 00:43:24:19
back of the pump truck
so it could pump the foundation.

00:43:25:09 - 00:43:29:19
But instead what we did is
we rented a huge

00:43:29:27 - 00:43:33:14
like a 18 wheeler tow truck
and they came

00:43:33:14 - 00:43:36:14
and actually we put a come
along on and they, they pulled

00:43:37:12 - 00:43:40:07
the pump truck up and then
pulled it back up the hill.

00:43:40:25 - 00:43:44:03
So yeah, so we,
we saved the cost there

00:43:44:03 - 00:43:46:02
by trying
to think our way through that.

00:43:46:02 - 00:43:47:16
Actually
that was my brother, he,

00:43:47:16 - 00:43:49:15
he thought
his way through that and

00:43:50:19 - 00:43:50:29
yeah.

00:43:50:29 - 00:43:55:02
So the accessibility,
so every single delivery

00:43:55:02 - 00:43:58:15
that we got
was with some sort of issue.

00:43:58:15 - 00:44:01:27
So, and we ended up
having to actually speak

00:44:01:27 - 00:44:05:14
to a supplier and say
we can only take this one truck.

00:44:05:20 - 00:44:07:07
And what happened

00:44:07:07 - 00:44:09:08
about a third of the time
we didn't get that truck

00:44:09:08 - 00:44:09:25
and then they

00:44:09:25 - 00:44:13:08
would have to pack the material
up and up the hill

00:44:13:17 - 00:44:16:09
and we would say, okay, well,
we asked for the truck.

00:44:16:09 - 00:44:17:01
It didn't show up.

00:44:17:01 - 00:44:19:06
So figure out how you're going
to get it up here.

00:44:19:06 - 00:44:19:28
Oh, my goodness.

00:44:19:28 - 00:44:22:17
How frustrating. Cool. Yeah.

00:44:22:17 - 00:44:24:29
That's another cool perspective.

00:44:24:29 - 00:44:25:09
Thank you.

00:44:25:09 - 00:44:26:05
I've never experienced

00:44:26:05 - 00:44:28:15
that being a little *mimes
typing on a keyboard*

00:44:28:27 - 00:44:31:04
And one other thing is
we had another property

00:44:31:05 - 00:44:33:03
that it was had to do with power

00:44:33:03 - 00:44:36:04
and getting power there
and they actually BC

00:44:36:04 - 00:44:40:06
Hydro had suggested that we did
a or no sorry.

00:44:40:06 - 00:44:41:03
The guy that was going to place

00:44:41:03 - 00:44:44:07
the poles suggested
maybe that we do a heli

00:44:45:01 - 00:44:47:20
pole landing
so that you would dig a hole,

00:44:47:20 - 00:44:49:11
then they would take their

00:44:49:11 - 00:44:52:00
the telephone pole and bring it
in by a helicopter and drop it.

00:44:52:00 - 00:44:54:26
And we said this sounds
a little bit much and expensive.

00:44:54:26 - 00:44:56:23
So we actually were lucky
enough.

00:44:56:23 - 00:44:57:28
We spoke to the neighbor

00:44:57:28 - 00:45:01:05
and the neighbor was able
to give us a variance.

00:45:01:05 - 00:45:05:02
And so we were able to bring
power across from their pole and

00:45:05:02 - 00:45:06:27
and bring it on to our property.

00:45:06:27 - 00:45:09:02
So that saved us,
you know, probably

00:45:09:13 - 00:45:11:16
I think it was about $40,000
there.

00:45:11:17 - 00:45:13:19
Yeah. Wow.

00:45:14:09 - 00:45:16:09
And you
just have to think, too, of,

00:45:17:15 - 00:45:20:03
you know, life cycle analysis

00:45:20:03 - 00:45:23:19
to like you're getting vehicles
involved like that.

00:45:23:19 - 00:45:26:28
Like how is that good for the
environment or net zero homes?

00:45:26:28 - 00:45:28:28
It just sort of
seems like it just

00:45:28:28 - 00:45:32:26
works against us and in regards
to like the whole thing.

00:45:32:26 - 00:45:34:00
Yeah,
when you were just telling me

00:45:34:00 - 00:45:37:17
about the multiple dump trucks,
I was like, what?

00:45:37:17 - 00:45:40:02
Like that is probably not.

00:45:40:03 - 00:45:42:23
Yeah, sorry. No, no - yeah.
Went through my brain.

00:45:42:23 - 00:45:46:02
Thought I'd share that. Good.

00:45:46:02 - 00:45:47:25
Yeah. So.

00:45:48:00 - 00:45:50:23
So the cost

00:45:51:21 - 00:45:54:29
per square foot to actually
build a home can can vary.

00:45:54:29 - 00:45:56:06
And we brought that up.

00:45:56:06 - 00:45:59:06
And so understanding that,
you know,

00:45:59:22 - 00:46:03:20
when you're going about trying
to get costing from people

00:46:03:20 - 00:46:05:01
that you want to have

00:46:05:01 - 00:46:07:28
the right questions to ask them,
because if you're not asking

00:46:07:28 - 00:46:11:13
the right questions,
you're getting no value

00:46:11:13 - 00:46:15:16
and you're setting yourself up
for an unsuccessful project.

00:46:15:26 - 00:46:18:00
We will we will help you.

00:46:18:00 - 00:46:18:09
You know,

00:46:18:09 - 00:46:22:02
sometimes you won't have the
proper questions to this build,

00:46:22:02 - 00:46:25:14
but that's what we are here
for as well as we.

00:46:25:14 - 00:46:27:03
We've got a ton of things
and questions

00:46:27:03 - 00:46:29:20
that we would add to your list
as well.

00:46:29:20 - 00:46:31:29
And also. Yes.

00:46:31:29 - 00:46:33:29
So of course, it's important
to know

00:46:33:29 - 00:46:35:25
what you're going to be spending
when you're doing this.

00:46:35:25 - 00:46:40:08
But it is impossible for anybody
to properly give you an idea

00:46:40:08 - 00:46:42:17
until you have thought out
the process a little bit.

00:46:43:11 - 00:46:45:29
And if you were to move ahead,
if somebody were to give you

00:46:46:06 - 00:46:48:28
this is, you know, just you
engage, you send an email,

00:46:49:15 - 00:46:53:26
they come back with a quote for
you based on the whole build,

00:46:53:26 - 00:46:56:26
chances are your expectations
throughout that process

00:46:56:26 - 00:46:57:19
are going to be

00:46:59:00 - 00:47:00:14
crumbled a little bit, right?

00:47:00:14 - 00:47:03:01
Because you haven't thought out

00:47:03:01 - 00:47:05:08
everything that we've
just gone over, which as you can

00:47:05:08 - 00:47:08:14
hear, there's so many variable
variables, so many moving parts

00:47:08:14 - 00:47:10:00
when it comes to building
your home.

00:47:10:00 - 00:47:12:16
As Jordan says,
every project is a prototype.

00:47:12:16 - 00:47:16:03
So you just have to have
a bit of flexibility

00:47:16:03 - 00:47:18:05
when it comes
to your expectations

00:47:18:05 - 00:47:19:10
and knowing,

00:47:19:10 - 00:47:19:28
yeah, it's

00:47:19:28 - 00:47:21:19
things are going to change
throughout the project

00:47:21:19 - 00:47:23:26
and you just got to plan
really well.

00:47:23:26 - 00:47:25:12
It's so important to plan.

00:47:25:12 - 00:47:26:14
Yeah, sorry.

00:47:26:14 - 00:47:27:24
No, that's exactly it.

00:47:27:24 - 00:47:30:25
And so yeah, I really appreciate
that everybody

00:47:30:25 - 00:47:33:03
has been tuning in and

00:47:34:09 - 00:47:35:27
this is “Better
Building With Buck”

00:47:35:27 - 00:47:37:16
and I hope you guys will have
great day.

00:47:37:16 - 00:47:39:14
Okay, bye for now! Bye-bye!

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Caitlin Jewell <caitlin.d.jewell@gmail.com>
You
Here’s episode 1, 2 and 3 as well (just “text” format)
Prefer to read the podcast Episode 4?
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Yes. So something that we 
just thought about, too, is that

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we have done some little napkin
sketches throughout this.

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And if you have any interest
in that, we are also on YouTube.

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If you guys are listening
to this podcast,

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we've got a bunch of
other videos of other projects

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that we've done in the past.

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And yeah, we,

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we've been excited
to make these videos

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and we're excited to continue
doing that.

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Hi, my name's Jordan.

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Oh, my name is Rhiannon. Hello.

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And this is “Better Building
With Buck.” This is episode 4.

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And today we're going to be
talking about “boxy” houses

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and why that's important
to high performance homes

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and also what that looks like
and how you get this

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very basic designed house

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and how you add
architectural details to it

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to turn it into something
that you can be

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proud of, to call yourself,
call your home.

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And with that, I guess we can
talk and start talking about how

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where that all begins.

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And that starts in the planning
stages and understanding

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what type of house
you're going to be building.

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We are often in in

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this podcast
can be talking about

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what kind of house
are you trying to build? It's

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very important to understand
what the difference is.

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And that not
every house is the same

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and that there's
so many different options

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now that, you know,

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having some goals
set up for yourself and with

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whoever is going to build
your house is really important.

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So, yeah.
What would you like to add?

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Um, I think first off,
it sounds like we're going

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to probably say “boxy” a lot
and it sounds bad,

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but just know that when we say
“boxy house,” it's just planning

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planning a house for you
so that it can achieve

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net zero status
or say passive home status.

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And also there's big push
with a lot of local governments

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right now to hit certain steps.

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You have to achieve
certain steps even past permit.

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So at this point - oops,
sorry...

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No, no, that's okay.

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Yeah.

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Right now we're at Step 3
and they haven't really like

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put hard deadlines on
when they move to the next step.

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It's going to be kind of
dependent on the government

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as well as like it's it's
kind of going to be probably

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about every five years.

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And when we are going Step
3, then Step 4, and then Step

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5 is actually “Net Zero Ready.”
So at that point,

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you know,
I think that our general

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architecture of houses
is going to change or you know,

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there's also some introduction

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of carbon
load on the houses too.

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So that's

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something to think about
and that's

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really going to affect
how houses are designed too,

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I think, in a very positive way.

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The hard
thing right now is actually

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having

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you or somebody else
get to experience what a high

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performance house is compared
to what you normally lived in.

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Because it's it's

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it kind of goes back
to, you know, like the before

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there was luxury cars,

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you would just drive
whatever was available.

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And still some people
think, okay, well the you know,

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they have
a wide range of choices for

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for what kind of car
they can drive.

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But now the government
is pushing us towards getting

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these more high
performance homes.

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So that's going to change
what architecture looks like.

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And we're going to go back

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to a more boxy
look because of the fact

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that less corners
are more energy efficient and

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and like Rhiannon said, it's
not a bad thing at all

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that it's boxy

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because you can start to add
layers of, you know, different

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peaks on top of the roof,
overhangs...

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Your garage is actually
a separate part of that.

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So you can kind of

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get at least some sort of L
or little bump there.

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Yeah, it's going to be good.

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Overall, it's
just a matter of people

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kind of coming
to the realization that

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architecture
is going to change a little bit.

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Yeah, it's time,
I think, that everybody

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sort of starts
putting in in their brains

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that we're just going to have
to adapt

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to this new style
of architecture coming out.

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And sort of just

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when you're working
with a pretty basic structure,

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you just have to think of ways
to embellish it.

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So like Jordan had said,

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you know,
you could add like a really cute

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porch off the front or something
with a really cute shed roof.

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If you like Colonial styles
you're in luck.

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Those are super boxy.

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It's got a bunch of big pillars,
modern.

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We can
you can really work with as well

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when it comes to net zero homes
or passive homes.

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And Jordan had mentioned
something earlier too about how

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like what we're trying to
do is we're trying to avoid

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jut outs,

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bump outs, and I'm
going to pass it off to Jordan

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because he's got a lot
more technical

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knowledge on this than me.

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I'm learning a ton from him,

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but anytime
you're going to be basically

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penetrating those walls
to make those jut outs,

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you're putting your house
more and more at risk

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of being a lower
functioning house.

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And he knows more about that
than I do.

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That's the facts that I know.
But no, no, take it away.

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Fair enough.

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So the important thing to
understand is that every corner

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is kind of a weak point

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in that assembly or the
the structure of the house.

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So the goal of this,
at least as of now,

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how they're modeling it,
is that the more square footage

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that you can fit into this
square or rectangle,

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the better that you're able
to have livable square footage

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compared
to a wall square footage,

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which the wall is
where you're going to lose your

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your energy
through it, through the wall,

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to the outside, which is not
what we're trying to do.

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So the more livable
square footage

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you can fit inside, the better
off that your let's call

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it score for a better word,
like best way to explain it.

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And something else it's
kind of interesting to think

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about is that

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long term

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when like right now there's

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houses that you're getting

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before you do a renovation,

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so you need to get an asbestos
test done.

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That's going to be very similar
to when you go to sell

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your house in the future.

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And it in it, it gets an energy
audit done to it.

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And then they're looking
at your house going, “Oh,

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okay, well,

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let's call it - you got an F
on your energy audit.”

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So now this person may
or may may not be expected

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to get that house to a
new standard, or they feel like

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they would like those comforts
that they're used to.

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Now, I'm going to say
this is like over the next

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10 to 20 years

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that that that kind of buyers...

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What's the best way to explain?

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...The buyer's kind of idea
of what a what a good house is.

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So we would like to be able
to start

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implementing some of these ideas

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when we're starting
to build houses,

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partially because of the fact
that we're having to

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and partly because of the fact

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that we want to try and build
you the best house we can.

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And thinking -- what would...

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I just learned something...

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they said, make sure to not

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mess with the building
envelope itself, but

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dress it up.

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So if you think about a wall,

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the wall,
the four walls on a house,

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as long as those walls

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are left and kept as square
as possible, you can put like

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little bump outs that
come out here and little roof

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areas. And

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also, you know,

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you I think we're going to start
to see a lot more of detailed

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overhangs to try and deal
with solar heat gain

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and trying to make sure
that when that sun is coming

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in, it's coming
in the right time of year.

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So if you think about
an overhang on a roof like this

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or what's the best way - that...

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here maybe I'll draw it...

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Here I have it open...

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Sorry, Boss...

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I can't remember what I was
saying.

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We were talking about...

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a roof?

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Oh, yeah, a roof overhang -
yeah, okay.

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Okay...

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So sorry.

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We had a little bit of technical
difficulties, but we are back.

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So when I think about this,
this roof overhang, so if

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you have a wall

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like this
and you have your window

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in here,

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what you want to try and do
is you're going to end up

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having these little roof
sections, because what's happens

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is you're trying
to block the sun in the summer,

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the sun at its hottest
time is way up here,

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but in the winter
it's a lot lower.

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So then that sun can start
to come into your window.

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And when it's hot in the summer,
it gets blocked by this roof,

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so it's not coming
into your house.

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So there's going to be
a lot of details

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that are going to be started
to be built out like that.

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In Europe, they have
they do a lot of exterior

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blinds, which we may
start to see that out here.

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Lots of it is like done
with like a solar sensor

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that you'd have on your roof.

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So actually as the sun started
to move around your house,

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the blinds would actually start
to close down

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and let in the light
on the right side of your house.

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So it's not getting too heated,
especially now that everybody

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likes

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houses

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that look like

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this.

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There's your house

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and there's your window.

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Yeah, people
like a lot of windows.

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The thing with that is your sun

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is coming in and
you have to stop that somehow.

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So when you have that
on every side of your house,

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as much light and glass
as you possibly can,

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your house is going to
get too hot.

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The windows are the worst spot
on your house to try and keep

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that thermal, I guess, mass
from entering your house.

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So we're going to have to

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start coming up with systems
to try to help with that or

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or start
to change the design of houses.

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So yeah,
I just want to share that and.

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I think the, the accent roofs
to keep that like that

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heat out too are a great way
to break up the facade.

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If you have two floors
you could use

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you could use a skirt roof
around your belly band,

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which would really break up
the two stories

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you can transition
between two materials. So

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my experience
goes as far as designing houses

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sort of off of what builder
and energy advisors tell me.

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So I'll be just chipping in
with the fluffy stuff today.

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No, no, no.

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But it's, you know, it's good.

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We're just having a conversation
and and hopefully

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it's like making sense
and I'm not getting too

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in the weeds with, like,
my language or whatever, but.

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I'm learning from it,
so thank you

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- I mean I’m learnin’...

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Yeah, well...

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Can I ask you a question
about your last blurb?

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We were just sort of talking
about

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like how you go
into an existing house

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and you have to check
for asbestos and stuff.

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So do you have any experience...

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So I guess like retrofitting
like a renovation

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where they want to bring their
their like step score up.

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Have you ever experienced that?

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Do you have...

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So they the term for that
right now at least is

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“Deep Energy Retrofit.”
And so it's a really

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it's it's yeah it's really hard.

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Yeah.

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I've I've done one one

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design where they renovated two
they wanted to hit Step 5.

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Yeah.

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And boy, oh boy it was tough.

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Yeah. It was a quite
a tough one. Thanks. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The like the,
the biggest part is, you know,

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trying to get air tightness and
especially like if you're not

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gutting it back down to the

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down to the studs and
then kind of rebuilding it out.

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It's so hard, because

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the air tightness is a lot of
origami and how you lap things

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and how everything
gets tied together. So

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if you're not willing to,

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maybe I can draw a picture
of that again.

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So let's
try and get that open...

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So if we have - just

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let me draw some...

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but first I'm going to draw
what they call...

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So this is a square box
for everybody?

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No, it's the square boxes.

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They put a tiny little roof
on it like this.

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And then people recognize that
that might be a monopoly piece.

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That's what
we're going to start looking at.

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Most of these houses
are going to be

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they're going to start out
like this

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and then we're going to end up
having like, say,

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you have another little roof
section here that you might add

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you put little roof there
or you have some windows

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like that and maybe some above
that.

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Cute little front entry.

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Little front door.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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Don’t be! Yeah.

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And then we would have

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when I talk about
these little roof

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sections, we'd
have these little roofs

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that would go over top of these
and they, they could extend

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or maybe even this overhang
on this front entrance way.

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How am I going to draw that?

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Let's just think,
what is it that's going to go

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like this. Gable
and then skirted around or...

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They'll come out like this...

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You’ll have a little roof.

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Oh sorry.

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That's going to be like that

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little roof
that comes off the front here.

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Some other things
that you could do

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is instead of it being a gable,
it could be a Dutch gable.

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So that means when the roof
kind of pitches back

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to the middle a bit or

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or I guess that's.

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Yeah.

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Or not sort of Dutch gable
but that be that.

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No, that would be.

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I know, Dutch
Hip and Dutch Gable.

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I think they get confused
all the time.

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Even I was but yeah.

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Yeah,
we just did one: Dutch Gable.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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So the garage also
doesn't count.

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So that's not part of that boxy
design, which definitely helps

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give give you a little bit
more shape to your house.

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I can't remember where

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how this all started, though,
with drawing this image.

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Well, what the hell we're...

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We were talking about
passive renovations.

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Retrofitting the deep, deep
net zero retrofit.

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Deep energy retrofit... Okay.

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So the issue is,
is that you have this box

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and what happens is, is that
this material that it's all

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on the outside of this house,
if you're doing an exterior

00:15:06:22 - 00:15:10:12
air barrier, which I think is
the best approach, personally,

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the siding
would have to come off.

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But then you're making the whole
outside the house airtight.

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Then what the issue is
is dealing with the ceiling.

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And because you have
all of these pot lights and

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pipes coming through the roof,
all penetrating through this,

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you have to get this
whole we call this the lid

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has to be airtight.

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So either
that whole lid has to come off

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or the ceiling,

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I guess you could call it
too, has to come down

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and then you have to get that
air tight

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or there's a company
that's called, AeroBarrier.

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And what they will do is
they will come in

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and they will aerosol caulk,
let's call it aerosol caulking.

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And the caulking
actually gets like misted

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and then gets blown

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into all the gaps in the house
and fills in all of these gaps.

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So like around your window,
there's going to be a gaps

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around your electrical plugs,
there's going to be gaps,

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but it can only fill up
to a half an inch.

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So after that half inch
mark is surpassed,

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then you have to figure out
how you're going to tackle that.

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So you could still get

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AeroBarrier to come in

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and they would be able to bring
in your air tightness down,

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but they might not be able
to get you all the way.

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So and especially depending on

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how that ceiling's done,
it may be really hard,

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especially if you don't have

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some sort of attic access

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so that this person
can get up in here and

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and start doing some air tightness in here in your attic space.

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Okay.

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This might be a silly question,
but renovations,

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when you're talking about
so the exterior insulation.

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So I guess when I was working

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on the one renovation,
I worked on

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trying to do a deep energy
retrofit.

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What I got hung up on was,

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so say you've got your APS
foam on the foundation

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and then you also have APS foam
on, say, the exterior wall.

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What about like
I know this might seem silly,

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but like

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I could not wrap my brain around
how they stack,

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you know, like, obviously
they're not,

00:17:09:09 - 00:17:12:08
they're not structural elements
holding the house up.

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But visually,
how does that look?

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Like...

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do we have the - cause normally

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you would see your six
inch foundation reveal

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and then you'd have a little bit
of a whatever

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half inch jet
out of your finishes.

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So so often what they
do is there would be like a

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kind of a flashing...

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Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah.

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So you're going to have your
your concrete wall.

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Yeah.

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And then you're going to have

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your concrete
or your foam out here. Yeah.

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And then you're going to have
a piece of flash. Oops.

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Sorry,
that's your framing. Yeah.

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And then you're going
to have a piece of flashing.

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It comes out and comes down
and then this is your your dirt

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or whatever. Okay.

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And then this flashing here

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that diverts any of the water.

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‘Cause you're going to have
your other foam up here,

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then you'll have some rain
screen. Yeah.

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And then you'll have
your siding.

00:18:02:03 - 00:18:09:21
*Cooooool!* So and the thing

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so sorry

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if we back up one layer,
this is where we will try

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and do the exterior air barrier

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and make that
air tight on your house.

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And then out here is
if any water does

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get through your wall,
which I think they say it's like

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there's definitely going to be
water to get through your wall.

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It just depends.

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It's something around
like 5% of the water that hits

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the wall
actually can get behind it.

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So that's what
that rain screens for.

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Actually,
there is one more layer to this.

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There's a bug screen
that captures all of that...

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yeah, so it has to capture
all that because else

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the bugs will get between here

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and your rain screen
or up into your foam.

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*Cool.*
And it doesn't have to be foam.

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It could be rocks...

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it could be

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some sort of like hemp product.

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There's mushroom stuff
coming out, too.

00:19:01:15 - 00:19:04:14
There's wool, actually.

00:19:04:14 - 00:19:05:05
I don't know if they

00:19:05:05 - 00:19:08:27
they have exterior
wool products yet, but yeah.

00:19:08:27 - 00:19:11:09
So there's lots of different
options depending on, you know,

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if we start
going back to that carbon load

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and if that's important to you,
then understanding, you know,

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how much body carbon
is actually in these products

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to like build out what we we
consider this the wall assembly.

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There's also going to be

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like drywall on
here and and maybe some some

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vapor barrier of some sort there

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and then your insulation
in here.

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So my questions
are coming to my brain

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as you're
explaining these to me.

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So it's good

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ledger boards

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like attaching a deck to the.

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Yeah. The floating foam? Yeah.

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So how would that,
how can you avoid

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penetrating the structure
if you're adding a deck to it?

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So the deck is probably
the tricky one.

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Okay.

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I think that it would make sense

00:20:03:28 - 00:20:06:05
to actually run your deck.

00:20:06:05 - 00:20:11:01
So if this is
this is your house...

00:20:11:01 - 00:20:14:04
oops we are not working.

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More technical difficulties.

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Touch it for 2 minutes,
then I break it. Hmm.

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Oh, I see. There we go.

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I touched a button over here,
so that should be good...

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Okay, sorry,
what were we talking about?

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Ledger boards...
Oh, ledger boards.

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Yeah. Right.

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So, yeah.
So here's your house. Yep.

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There would be a

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beam that would run this way.

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There'd be a post out here.

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Post out here?

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Kind of like what we did
at Max and T’s.

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Yeah.

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And then your joist
would run this way.

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Okay, so.

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So there would still be a spot
right here where you're getting

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connected to the house,
which is not a great

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detail for thermal bridging.

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Yeah,
you could beef beef that up

00:21:03:16 - 00:21:07:09
by getting
some more expensive hardware

00:21:07:09 - 00:21:09:26
that would actually support
that load with the hanging.

00:21:09:26 - 00:21:10:11
Gotcha.

00:21:10:11 - 00:21:13:00
Okay, you can also
you could put another post.

00:21:13:08 - 00:21:14:15
Yeah. Here. Yeah.

00:21:14:15 - 00:21:18:00
And here we actually have this
separate from the house. Yep.

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Which is I've seen some high
perfomance homes doing that.

00:21:22:07 - 00:21:22:17
Yeah.

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Where the deck is actually not
part of the whole structure.

00:21:25:28 - 00:21:28:09
I've definitely done that too.
Yeah. Okay. Cool.

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So but now you've got one,
three more pad footings

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and so yeah, you're, it's,

00:21:34:00 - 00:21:37:06
it's going to be interesting
to see how this plays out

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with new homes and,
and how we're going to start to

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tackle some of
these goals that are going to be

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what we're responsible for.

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But yeah, I'm
looking forward to it because it

00:21:51:13 - 00:21:53:29
lets you have a little bit
more creative freedom

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also is going to do
a really good justice on having

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what I call paper contractors
or people that are literally

00:22:04:04 - 00:22:07:10
just have money to be able
to afford to build a house

00:22:07:17 - 00:22:10:21
compared to somebody that has
any sort of technical training

00:22:11:06 - 00:22:14:12
to be able
to execute these kind of goals.

00:22:14:12 - 00:22:16:09
Because if you don't know
how to build a house,

00:22:16:09 - 00:22:19:17
how are you expected
to do something that you know,

00:22:19:20 - 00:22:21:27
your team
also hasn't done before?

00:22:21:27 - 00:22:25:21
Because often what happens is
a paper contractor will go out

00:22:25:21 - 00:22:28:20
and they'll say, Hey,
can you build me this house?

00:22:28:29 - 00:22:30:05
These are the plans.

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And now that
you have to actually think about

00:22:33:29 - 00:22:35:11
how you're going
to get from point A

00:22:35:11 - 00:22:39:20
to point B on the design, there's nobody guiding the ship. So

00:22:40:29 - 00:22:41:28
it's going to be

00:22:41:28 - 00:22:42:12
I think it's

00:22:42:12 - 00:22:43:23
going to be really good
for our industry

00:22:43:23 - 00:22:46:07
that you're going
to have more qualified

00:22:46:24 - 00:22:49:25
home builders
and less people that are

00:22:52:09 - 00:22:54:25
running around with money
trying to build houses.

00:22:54:25 - 00:22:56:23
Yeah, I like that. Yeah. Yeah.

00:22:56:23 - 00:22:58:02
So I'm excited.

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I'm up for the challenge
and I look forward to it.

00:23:00:23 - 00:23:03:00
Yeah, it's going to be
a definitely it's, it's

00:23:03:16 - 00:23:05:00
continuously learning I think.

00:23:05:00 - 00:23:06:08
Yeah exactly.

00:23:06:08 - 00:23:08:08
We need to adapt.
It's so important.

00:23:08:09 - 00:23:10:18
I mean, this is going to be
the new way of architecture.

00:23:10:18 - 00:23:12:20
I think the next 15, 20 years.

00:23:12:20 - 00:23:13:02
Yeah.

00:23:13:02 - 00:23:14:26
I also want to talk
about the interiors, too,

00:23:14:26 - 00:23:15:24
because I've noticed too

00:23:15:24 - 00:23:18:10
that you need space,
you need a mechanical room.

00:23:18:12 - 00:23:21:12
If you're wanting to design
a home to meet a step code,

00:23:21:17 - 00:23:23:06
whether it's required
by your government,

00:23:23:06 - 00:23:24:25
your local government or not,

00:23:24:25 - 00:23:26:09
you need space
for a mechanical room.

00:23:26:09 - 00:23:29:13
I think that's often overlooked
if you have like a crawl.

00:23:29:17 - 00:23:31:28
Crawl, like,
if you have area for crawl,

00:23:31:28 - 00:23:33:10
great, you can use that too. But

00:23:34:13 - 00:23:36:24
definitely something
to keep in mind when designing

00:23:37:05 - 00:23:40:16
in the initial planning process
for designing the boxy house,

00:23:40:16 - 00:23:42:11
sorry, I hate that word,
but you got to have

00:23:42:11 - 00:23:43:22
a mechanical space as well.

00:23:43:22 - 00:23:47:25
Yeah I think with that too
it's, it's good to understand

00:23:47:29 - 00:23:50:11
what type of heating system
you're going to use right?

00:23:50:11 - 00:23:53:15
Because like I think in my mind
we might start

00:23:53:15 - 00:23:55:28
moving further
and further away from

00:23:57:04 - 00:23:59:16
a forced air system
and rely more on

00:24:00:03 - 00:24:03:17
mini splits because we're going
to have so much more climate

00:24:03:17 - 00:24:08:06
control of the rooms
with using a HRV

00:24:09:09 - 00:24:11:09
and having more sensors
in the home. So

00:24:12:15 - 00:24:15:22
as you may spend
more time in your house,

00:24:15:27 - 00:24:19:26
it will start to learn, okay,
well, you spend, you know, from

00:24:20:18 - 00:24:23:25
5:00 to 7:00 in your living room
- that's where

00:24:23:25 - 00:24:27:01
we're going to heat that room
or you're going to, you know,

00:24:27:01 - 00:24:28:15
is it on your phone

00:24:28:15 - 00:24:31:06
or is it by the sensor
that it kicks on and actually

00:24:31:15 - 00:24:33:00
kind of heats
that room up for you?

00:24:33:00 - 00:24:34:15
Instead of having all your rooms

00:24:34:15 - 00:24:36:17
in your house
heated at any given

00:24:36:17 - 00:24:40:10
time, it's going to be more in
sync with the way that you live.

00:24:40:10 - 00:24:43:17
And and yeah, it's exciting to

00:24:44:04 - 00:24:47:09
know that
like what used to be something

00:24:47:09 - 00:24:48:11
that nobody could afford

00:24:48:11 - 00:24:49:19
is going to get cheaper
and cheaper

00:24:49:19 - 00:24:52:05
with all these little sensors
and stuff like that.

00:24:52:29 - 00:24:54:26
Are we there yet?

00:24:54:26 - 00:24:55:20
Not quite.

00:24:55:20 - 00:24:57:14
But you know, there's
so many companies

00:24:57:14 - 00:24:58:14
that are coming out with like

00:24:59:14 - 00:25:02:06
sensors or or trying to like

00:25:03:06 - 00:25:05:24
be in this tech
category of construction

00:25:05:24 - 00:25:07:27
that it's yeah,
it's only going to get cheaper.

00:25:07:27 - 00:25:10:11
So that's that's
exciting news, too.

00:25:10:12 - 00:25:12:07
Yeah. And I think

00:25:12:24 - 00:25:16:02
another thing to add, too,
with designing a boxy home

00:25:16:02 - 00:25:20:07
is that it's going to be way
more cost effective for you than

00:25:20:26 - 00:25:24:01
whether you are going, whether
you're wanting to achieve,

00:25:24:01 - 00:25:25:27
you know, a high performing home
or not.

00:25:25:27 - 00:25:27:20
You're going to save
so much money

00:25:27:20 - 00:25:31:06
going with a boxier style house
that's been embellished

00:25:31:06 - 00:25:32:19
to your liking.

00:25:33:24 - 00:25:34:19
Yeah, yeah.

00:25:34:19 - 00:25:38:16
Every inside and outside
corner needs trim of some sort,

00:25:38:16 - 00:25:41:16
whether that's drywall trim
or I guess drywall

00:25:42:16 - 00:25:44:25
not inside corners,
but outside corners.

00:25:44:25 - 00:25:45:11
Yeah.

00:25:45:11 - 00:25:48:13
When it's exterior trim,
you have all those points

00:25:48:13 - 00:25:50:16
where all of that trim
needs to be cut again.

00:25:50:24 - 00:25:54:08
So the time that it takes for
somebody to come out and do that

00:25:54:08 - 00:25:57:06
labor of going inside, outside
and the amount of material

00:25:57:06 - 00:25:57:26
because your

00:25:57:26 - 00:25:59:26
piece only comes so long
and yeah,

00:25:59:26 - 00:26:00:12
the guys are going

00:26:00:12 - 00:26:01:20
to do their very best

00:26:01:20 - 00:26:04:16
to utilize the material
that that's on site.

00:26:04:16 - 00:26:06:27
But they,
they can only do so much, right?

00:26:06:27 - 00:26:10:29
So like the big thing about
that is understanding that

00:26:12:11 - 00:26:13:25
the square-er your house is,

00:26:13:25 - 00:26:16:04
the more square footage
you're going to get in between,

00:26:16:09 - 00:26:17:29
the faster
your house is going to go up.

00:26:17:29 - 00:26:21:29
Because when you have
all the inside outsides, it's

00:26:21:29 - 00:26:25:06
that much more wall to level
and straighten and square and

00:26:26:05 - 00:26:27:03
and layout.

00:26:27:03 - 00:26:31:28
And you could probably cut off,
I don't know,

00:26:33:21 - 00:26:36:26
at least probably
10% of your cost to your house.

00:26:36:26 - 00:26:40:28
Depending on how square you got
it really

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because yeah,
there's a lot of houses

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that are just so in and out.

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Actually, I just saw a house

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online that was up for sale

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and it's octagon shaped and

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yeah, it is just - so many like

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*noises* it’s to try to take
in the view but I was just.

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I feel bad for the builder -
all those angles.

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Yeah. It would’ve been - it
would’ve been a bit to lay out.

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Oh yeah. Yeah.

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And like, I don't know it

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did it really like maybe
there's some sort of parameter

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that I that are missing

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like property lines
that they're trying to fit

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the house into or something.

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But when you're asking
a pretty penny for it, you go,

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okay, yeah. Yeah.

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I mean, that could have been
a reason for sure.

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Trying to maximize
on the property.

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Yeah,
like the size of the property.

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But yeah.

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Also the structural integrity.

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I mean, every time, you know,

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every time you add a bump out,
you're going to have to think

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about
how you're supporting that roof

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if you don't have a story above.

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So you've got beams,
you've got extra

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concrete in there, you've
got a whole new truss packages.

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Yeah. Just really drives
the cost up.

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Like not saying,

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oh, if you design a house
with a bunch of nice little bump

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outs, it's going to be
structurally compromised.

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It's not.

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You're going to get an engineer
for it. So that's great.

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But if you design, you know,
more of a square boxier home

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chances are you can stay
within part nine of the code

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you might not need an engineer
to sign off on it.

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So it's just

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you're just shaving costs off
with that initial design.

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So yeah, no, no, that's great.

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And I really think that
it's like it's

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when everybody's,
you know, conscious

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or most people are conscious
about their budget

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and also a lot
most people are now starting

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to be more conscious
about the carbon footprint

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and also like longevity
of your house, too, right?

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Every corner is also

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another place
that’s got to be painted

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another place
where water can get stuck.

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And so the least amount

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of penetrations, the least

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amount of

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inside, outside kind of things
going on, the longer

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your house can last

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easier is going to be
to work on in the future.

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And also just having people
getting and setting up too,

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which people don't

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really think about, is like
if when somebody comes to

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get set up
and they have to keep moving,

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say for instance,

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it's the painter and he's
coming to paint your house

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ten years later and you

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and now he's trying to get,
you know, up in this weird spot

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off of extension ladder
compared to just setting up.

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Well, I guess this is

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we have

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these things called pump jack
scaffolding,

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which is or even
just scaffolding in general,

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which is like a staging
that you work off of.

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The longer that run is that

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it can just get set up and go
straight up and down the faster

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they're going to be in and out
compared to,

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you know, moving things around

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to get around the house
and keep moving

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and keep
moving around the house.

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But yeah, that was kind of
a little bit of a rant.

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That’s okay.

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Yeah, I literally was like,

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“Don't add any more, Rhiannon,
because you're just

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going on a tangent.” No,
no no...

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I've been stoked.

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I mean like this has been -

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it has been a good podcast
tonight

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and I really hope that
everybody's enjoyed what we've

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shared with you today and

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was there anything - you pretty
well feel like

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that was that was the added part
and yeah yeah okay.

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I think we’re good - just
don't be scared of boxy houses.

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With the right builder
and the right designer

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and your ideas,
you can put together something

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you wouldn't even consider boxy.

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You would consider it
an architectural beauty.

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We've seen some awesome, awesome
passive homes.

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Yeah,
but no, I think I'm good. I'm.

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Yeah, I.

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Yeah. Right on.

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Well I appreciate everybody here
watching Better

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Building With Buck

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and we look forward

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to seeing you with episode five
and if you haven't seen

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the other podcast, go back
take a peek at them,

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whether that's YouTube,

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any of the places where
you're going to find a podcast.

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And actually YouTube
actually just had a new feature

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where you can add
a podcast section.

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So we've got that kind of

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separated out from the rest
for YouTube videos now.

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So yeah.

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Thank you, everybody.
Thanks so much, everybody.

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Bye for now.

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Have a great night.

Prefer to read the podcast Episode 5?
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Hi, everybody.

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Thanks for joining us.
My name is Rhiannon.

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And my name’s Jordan and this “Better
Building With Buck” episode 5.

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We’re going to talk about what
a pre-construction contract

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looks like and why we feel
that could be important to you

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and the advantages
to having one set up on a project.

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Pre-construction contracts…

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they’ve been around for a while.

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They hold a lot of value for the owner
in the fact that you’re

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you’re able to actually plan out
your project from start to finish.

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You’re you’re able to

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reduce scope creep as

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well as late minute decision making.

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How we like to do it
and it doesn’t have to be this way.

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But the more that’s
picked out in your project going into it,

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the more likely

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you’re going to be able to stay on budget
because you know more or less

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what the costs are going to be other

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than what the volatility of the market
is on materials.

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So at least when you go into the project,
you have a good idea on cost.

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But yeah, maybe, Rhi,

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you can talk a little bit about how

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in our pre-construction contract
we have plans and

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and how that plays into

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the, the pre-construction contract.

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I just if you don’t mind,
I just want to ask.

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I’ve never heard that term before,
scope creep.

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I never heard that before.
What does that mean? What is it?

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Oh, is it like a is it
just that everything slows to like a creep

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sometimes? No.

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It would be like, for instance,

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somebody is.

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So say

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you designed the room, right?

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And then they see the room
and they didn’t understand

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that it was going to look a certain way.

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So then they’re like, Oh, I want this
extra layer put on to the project.

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And now that’s a whole
nother lap around the house.

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So that can be scope creep.

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It’s like custom millwork as an example,
it sounds like, “Oh, I didn’t realize

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I want custom built ins in my bed.” Yeah,
that could be scope creep

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or it could even be

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that something
wasn’t planned out. Exactly.

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And then more materials
have to be added to it.

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Or labor. Yeah.

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Or the fact that

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you actually never had an idea

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of how you were actually going
to do any part of that section of work

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and then the contractors

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trying to figure it out in the field
and and yeah, that’s never ideal.

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Scope creep like it. Cool.

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Thank you for sharing that. Awesome.

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I guess to get started, pre-construction

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contracts is a fairly new not concept,
but it’s fairly new to me

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as well as Jordan and I just teamed up
with Design and Build.

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So prior to that I was just drafting

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and there was no pre-construction contract
or contract.

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Sorry.

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So I’m assuming there was,
you know, what I was putting out

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to these developers and builders.

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There
is probably a ton of this scope creep

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because there was no pre-construction
contract.

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There’s, you know, no work, wasn’t it was
input in the systems, but it wasn’t,

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you know, sort of,

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you know, sourcing out that cabinet maker
and the time that it takes

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and the budget would be a part
of the pre-construction contract, correct?

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In our case, in design, yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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So like for instance in what
we’re trying to cover is like the kitchen

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layout trying to
you don’t have to like understanding

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exactly how many lights, for instance,
that you are going to have in a room.

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But you want to understand like I

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or actually

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sorry, you might want to know
how many lights you may want in a room,

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but you may not need to know
exactly the placement of those lights.

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Not to say that it’s not a good idea
to kind of understand that kind

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more fine, fine details.

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But the more of the scope that or the the

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the fine details of the project
that you can build out,

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the better off that you’re going
to be able to have a stronger budget.

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Now, things always change in construction

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because we aren’t

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building a repeated product in most cases.

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So every project is a prototype.

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I know you guys have heard me
say it before,

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but that’s really important to understand
because when you go into a project,

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things change and you just do your best
to make sure

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that you can foresee as many changes
or as many issues as you can.

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And yeah, there’s just

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planning, planning,
planning, planning, planning.

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The more time you can put upfront,
the better

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the rest of the project’s going to be.

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So that the reason why the previous
structure contracts good is because

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firstly you’re able to pay your contractor
to do his job.

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You don’t expect him to do work for free.

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And you also understand that when you’re
when you get to this point

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where you have a price for the project,
you also understand what it’s

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going to take more or less
to to build out some of these things.

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Or you’re going to get the time
with the contractor

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face to face to understand,
okay, this material over that material or

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or even the
the designer or the interior designer

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or whoever that person is that’s helping
you pick out all these finishes. And

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also, you’re going to

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get face time,
you know, understanding a wall assembly

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because you’re you’re
you’re putting you’re wanting

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you should be wanting to learn about what

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it takes to build a house
because you’re not

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you’re not spending
small, small amounts of money.

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So if it’s your biggest investment
in your entire life,

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why wouldn’t you want to learn?

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Why wouldn’t you want to have the time
where the contractor can actually take

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time out to explain to you everything that
it’s going to take to build your house?

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So you feel more informed,
you feel more educated,

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you feel like
you can make a better decision.

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Yeah.

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I’m I’ll just start sort of
from the beginning of what our process

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would be
with the pre-construction contract

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just to walk everybody kind of through the
the process is first off

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is I guess we would have a site visit
where we would kind of chat about

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the client’s desired wish list,
what their property was like,

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what they would, what their house was
like, what they needed. And

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they.

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Need a survey.

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At this point: do they need a survey?

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At this point…

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So we we we intake all this information

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sort of and we get it,
you know, in on their file.

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But at this at that point,
you know, we can give you an idea of like,

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you might be able to do that.

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But until we have a survey and you’re
you’re saying you’re doing a renovation

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and your existing house renovated it,
it really is.

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Things are so subject to change.

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So your initial meeting is going to be

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it’s probably
going to be a fairly long one.

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But you’re getting to kind of know
each other.

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You’re looking through the house and such.

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It’s the first date.

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It’s totally the first day.

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Yeah, it’s like nice
and it’s filled with hearts and kisses.

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And then from that point on, we kind of
we just

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we go through and we have to gather
all the required information.

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And 99% of the time we need a survey.

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I have explained it in
the last podcast and it just

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lessens the

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risk of running into big problems
on the property.

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So I for for example, you know,
there’s a covenant that we don’t know

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and all of a sudden, you know,
we find your extension

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there and no, no,
we have to start back from square one.

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So there’s a lot of
so we’ll have our initial slate meeting

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and then we’ll have to get some things
lined up.

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Basically a survey
being the first thing depends on

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whether you’re doing a renovation
or a custom house.

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So just for ease, because I’m
working on a couple renovations,

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let’s just pretend this is a renovation
I’m discussing with you.

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So we would need a survey
if you were doing an extension

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to make sure you could stay
within your setbacks.

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We also need

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existing blueprints of your house
because the city’s going to want to see.

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Yeah. If they’re available.

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If they’re available, yeah.

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Which sometimes they are.

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What a lot of people don’t know
when they purchase

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a property is
I think you can pay like ten bucks.

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You fill out a report some some cities.

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It’s it’s close –

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It’s usually at least around here,
it’s like closer, like 60 bucks…

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WHHAAAT??? Oh, my goodness.

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Oh, wow. Okay,
so you learn something new every day.

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Inflation, right? Wow. Geez, Louise.

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Anyways, you can pay. But 60 bucks…

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It’s like and in the scope of things, it’s
nothing, right.

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Yeah.

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If you you have to be willing
to pay those initial costs

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because more, more are going to come
and yeah.

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If those are shocking to you then

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you got, you got another thing
coming with the rest of the project.

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But…

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oh right – survey.

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Oh right. Existing building plans.

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So again,
just so we’re all on the same page

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we’ve had our site meeting at this point
and now I’m meeting you to round up

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stuff for me, which is the survey
and I need your existing building plans.

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So what you can do is you can, once
you purchase

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your property,
you can go to the city and you pay

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to release any information
on file of that property.

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And I’ve received information,
I’ve received

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hand-drawn surveys
which unfortunately do not fly.

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You need newer surveys for the city but

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yeah you I’ve received really cool
hand-drawn

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building plans
from like the turn of the century but…

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(super cool.) Yeah, super, super cool.

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So there’s

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a lot of clients don’t really know
that you can you can access that

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and I’ll give you a ton of information
on your property.

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So that’s what we say to do
as your first step before you start,

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you know, putting money
in, paying deposits into surveys or or

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having somebody come out

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and measure your house or having us
come out and measure your house

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is go through the city first, see
if they’ve got any information on file.

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Send it all to us.

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We’ll take a quick look,

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look over and let you know
if we need more information or not.

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Yeah, so this can take.

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I’ve heard, like, it could be like a week.

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It can be up to, like, six weeks.

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It just depends, like and. Surveyors and.

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Even just like getting stuff
from the city.

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Totally. Yeah.
Because they just are like it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It just depends. Right.

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So it’s good, you know,

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if they’ve given you a time,

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reach out again because you know,
everybody gets busy and and things

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can fall through the cracks and
but yeah, it’s just good to make sure that

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everybody understands it.

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It’s you’re
you’re just one step at a time.

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And, and we’re here to help
guide you through those steps.

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And and if you have questions, well,
we can definitely answer them.

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But at this beginning stage,
it’s really like a information

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gathering session.

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And then I guess from there,
we’re kind of looking at doing

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some conceptual drawings,
getting that out to you.

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And then at that point,
we could potentially

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be seeing if there’s any like

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engineering type stuff because that’s

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maybe close – too soon, maybe?

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Maybe even like I think
depending on the level that depends.

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It’s actually great
that you’ve brought that up. It depends.

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I think on the scope of the renovation,
some renovations

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we would come in to right away
before we even or before

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I even consider drawing plans for it
being like, have you had an engineer?

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Look at this, right?

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Right, it’s too shanty? Exactly.

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And they’ve I’ve had engineers just,
you know, come back with a report saying,

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you know, they can do this renovation
if this type of beam is specified

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in this area
and then you’ve covered your bases there.

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So it just really depends on

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the the level of renovation.

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But it’s good to get an engineer on
sometimes before

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as well as after if if required.

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So yeah, sorry.

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That was a great point you made. Yeah.

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I guess the other thing too is
like I’m also thinking

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about getting an energy

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advisor
potentially involved in your project

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the earlier that you can actually
introduce them into the project,

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the bigger contributions
they can have to the end

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value of your project.

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So I’m not energy advisor,
so I only know the information

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that I’ve gathered through information or,

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you know, doing other projects
and stuff like that.

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But until you get that model
actually done of your house

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so that you can get feedback on it,
sometimes,

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depending on your goals of your project,
that may be one of the first steps

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even before you even go to concept drawing
so that you can understand –

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if that if we’re talking
about a renovation that is.

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I guess
also it could be for new construction,

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but it really depends

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on how high your

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your goals will be for high performance,
I guess at that point, like.

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Yeah, so we got

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the very beginning – oh, sorry,
maybe we won’t start at the beginning…

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Okay.

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So I think like just to sort of like wrap
up, not wrap up,

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but kind of just sum up
what we’ve discussed so far is that

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the initial process
of gathering information

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usually takes a bit longer than people
expect.

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Like, you know, sometimes even myself,
sometimes I think after the site visit

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and getting your wish list, I’m like,
“Let’s get started!”

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Uh, no –
I got to wait three weeks for the survey.

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We got a draft of the existing floor plans
and so on and so forth.

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So I think we got to
that point basically…

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Yeah, I guess. The concept… And yeah.

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So like I guess the other thing too
is in the pre-construction,

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you could also have a hazardous
material test that could be potential.

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You could have had a geotechnical survey
that might need to be done.

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If your survey comes back
and there’s riparian zone, we might be

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need to reach out
to think about having a biologist

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come and take it like, say, you’re
building on the waterfront to understand

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if a biologist has to assess the land

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as far as how your your

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you might attempt to do certain work
in areas to see if it’s even like

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feasible or worth doing because of how

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that environmental impact could happen.

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What else could be in a pre-construction?

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Yeah.

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Like another thing too
that I found really interesting:

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Just being new to “Design
and Build” myself is that like with my,

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you know, with one of the projects
we just worked on a custom house.

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Once the plans were finished,
Jordan like was able to pull

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all the area and – Sorry,
what did you say, tear off?

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Oh, take off.

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Take off. Yeah.

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So and that’s part of the preconstruction
package too, right?

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So “take offs” is like once, once,
which I thought was like so cool.

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And just for organization sake.

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Like, Jordan has all this information
now that we finished the concept

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and we’re getting it ready for permit
submission.

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He has this area he needs that
he can send out to all your sub trades.

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And get pretty accurate quotes
in the pre-construction contract.

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Yeah.

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So for instance,

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what’s when we talk about this take off,
I do use a digital take off software.

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So what that’s going to do
is I take the blueprints

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that Rhiannon has drawn up
and then I’m putting

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my own lines and and like

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boxes on certain parts of the house
so I can break up

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the square footage, say, of your floor
for your kitchen or your roofing

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or how many studs
you’re going to need in your wall, or

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how many joists
or really any component of the house.

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Like I can break it down to every screw
potentially that you’re going to have

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in your entire project.

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The reason why that has value is
when we go to send

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what we call is a bid request
out to the sub,

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which are our trade partners,
which could be like

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a drywaller or a roofer, what have you.

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They have a
an idea of looking at the plans,

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but also looking at what you have
for takeoff so that they understand that

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if you’re doing apples to apples
for what you’re expecting.

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So in construction, apples to apples
is what you’re looking for.

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So when we’re doing a

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when I’m setting it up to bid,
there’s also give me a scope of work.

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So the scope of work is detailing out
what we’re expecting from them

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because we’ve had a conversation
about, “Okay, I want

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oak flooring

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that’s so wide and and I want that through
half my house…”

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Well, I’m going to send that out
so that they know what they’re pricing.

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So when they get that price back,
then we’re sharing that price with you

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so you understand how much that costs.

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And then from there, we can look at,
“Okay, is this the right material

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or should we pick something else that fits
your budget better?” And so this is like

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a, you know, sometimes you’re, you’re,
you’re stealing a little bit

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of of

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cost of material from here

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and and bringing it over here
because you’d rather have this material

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vise versa on other different materials
or now, for instance, sometimes

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people will feel that – say

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it was like tile and they,
they pick out a tile.

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It’s a porcelain tile

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and then they go and they pick out
a natural stone or something

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that could be a lot harder or

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more material is lost in doing

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maybe it’s a layout of that tile, then

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there’s going to be a cost difference
that people would be like, “Well, I’m

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just getting this tile to this tile.”
Well, no, it’s it’s not exactly “apple

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to apple.” It’s a…

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It’s a herringbone layer or something
– gotcha…

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It’s going –
yeah, it’s going from apples to oranges.

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But when you think about it,
you’re just going, “Oh,

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this is just tile.”
Well no, the labor just went way up

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because the guy can’t just lay it out
quickly.

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You had an intricate penny design
or something…

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Yeah, yeah, I see what you mean…

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Yeah.

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So, like,
giving a detailed scope of work helps

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the trade understand
what you expect for them. Yeah.

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And also that you understand

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what the scope work is
because you see that on “CoConstruct,”

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or our project management software,
of what that scope of work looks like.

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So if you see and we,
we read through that and, and talk

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about what’s, what, how that looks
and if that’s important. Oh,

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I found that really cool
when you were chatting with me about that.

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Just the the take takeoffs. Yeah.

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It was really interesting.

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Very useful.

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Yeah. No, it’s it’s.
Yeah, it’s key. Like it.

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I don’t like doing it on pencil and paper.

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There’s, there’s definitely some errors
that can be made.

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Not to say that in, in, in a take off
software that there can’t be errors

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because if you have information
that’s in there that doesn’t,

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that’s not what you’re looking for, like
say you did to take off and it was 16 inch

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spacing for the studs
and you’re actually looking for two feet.

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But that’s
what you you it came out as then…

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You’re now not having the right
material list… Gotcha.

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So there still can be errors,
but it minimizes it for sure.

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Cool.

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I think it’s just
I think the pre-construction contract

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just means transparency
throughout the process to like

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you’re seeing you’re seeing
that we’re sending the bids out.

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You’re seeing
what they’re sending back to us.

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So there’s no sort of surprises
or hidden costs for you.

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Yeah.

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So something else
that we were going to talk about

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was revisions and how

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those can be introduced by

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you or
they can also be introduced by the budget.

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So a revision that would be by the budget

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would be, say we, we were going through,
we were pricing things out

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and we realized that

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there was something that came up

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that was going to be way more expensive
than than we had hoped.

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So or your idea
of what this house looked like

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from when we started to now
further down the line after you’ve went in

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and looked at a bunch of finishes,
has changed your ideal of what

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what does this house what does a house
cost, which is what we get all the time.

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How much does this cost?
How much does a house cost?

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Well, it goes back to
what kind of house, and that can change

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also in your buying journey
through just looking at different stuff.

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And and, you know,
there’s like HGTV and stuff like that

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where people get ideas and and Pinterest
and yeah, stuff like that.

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And, and whether they spend a lot of time

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previous to engaging with the builder,

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their idea of what this house looks like
can definitely change.

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It could also be like
energy efficiency stuff or health

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and comfort because you actually had
no idea that there was like

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a way that

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potentially your kids
didn’t need to have asthma anymore

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because you spent,
you know, instead of having

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baseboard heats
and sucking smoke from outside,

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you decide that you want to have
a really nice HRV which brought clean

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and fresh air into your house.

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But yeah, that’s
kind of a little bit of a rant about,

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you know, just thinking about how,
you know, what this idea of a house can

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can change and how that can affect
the budget and, and,

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and what that looks like as revisions.

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But when it goes to you
talking about revisions

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and we were discussing

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how a revision can be…

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sorry I don’t know… It’s okay.

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I just I’ve noticed in

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some clients pretty apprehensive
and they have it,

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you know, in their in their mind
that they can’t make any changes.

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They have it in their mind

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that like, okay, I’m telling you this
and this is the way it’s going to be.

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And no, that’s not true.

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Having a designer means

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you are getting to figure out what works.

00:22:11:16 – 00:22:12:22
You’re hiring us

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because for the most part, you know,
we’ll have designers hire us as well.

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But you’re hiring us for the most part
for our professional opinion.

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And I’m here to help you with that.

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I’m just I guess
I just anybody who thinks that, like,

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they can’t revise is
I just want to squash that.

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That’s it’s it’s our job to make sure

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that you have the home you want
or the renovation that you want.

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There might be there might be costs
that are associated with that.

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Yeah.

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If we went on multiple,
multiple rounds of revisions,

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there could be a costs
associated with that.

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But like the thing is, is it’s

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so much cheaper to design on paper
than it is in the fields.

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Like that’s critical
to understand that like that pre-planning

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and we’re talking about a pre-construction
contract.

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The reason
why that is, is because it’s cheaper

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to preplan
than it is to do it in the field,

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especially if you’ve landed material
on the job site

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and you start it starts to go up
and then you

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you show up and you
you don’t like it because you

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you just you didn’t put enough

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you were rushed into the building process,
which often is the case.

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And I can completely understand
why people will want to –

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after they buy this property – “Oh, wow.

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I’m sitting on a lot of money right now.

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I want to get building.”
Okay, that’s great.

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I can appreciate that.

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Okay, well, let’s then,
if that’s the case,

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then you have to be willing
to put in a lot of effort

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with your builder
as if it’s a part time job.

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You’re having to go

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with them,

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look at stuff on a regular basis,
not when it’s convenient.

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Because the thing is, is when you
when things get pushed out

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and out and out because you’re waiting
until you have time to do things

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and you also are trying to push how fast
the start date is on on your project.

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Then there’s there’s going to be

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there’s going to be costs
that’s involved in that.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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I think like I think, too,

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sometimes you will have this idea

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of what you want for your house
and then we’ll put it on paper.

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And you know, me and Jordan will say,
“This isn’t going to work.

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Like you don’t have enough clearance
here.” And I don’t mean a revision

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just on our, on our word,
on on our suggestion or or,

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you know, we draw it up and you realize,
like, “Ew no – this is not what I want.”

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“Change these things, too.”

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It’s totally

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normal to have to balance provisions
back and forth within the pre-construction

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phase to,
as Jordan had said, to a certain extent.

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I mean, if you’ve had us revise,

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basically
the house is like three new custom houses

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at this point, we’ll kind of, “Oh,
okay, well, maybe we should consider this

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additional cost…”
What do you find is like

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a more common revision that comes up
that you’re like – that you would,

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if you think back on on doing projects,
what would be like something

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that people would be like…

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exterior changes?

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Oh, that’s a really good question.

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Like as far as like fit – like seeing wall
finishes?

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I think…

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that’s a really good question.

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I feel kind of on the spot here.

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I, I would say

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it really depends on the person.

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It really depends on the client.

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If they’re an inside like layout person
or they’re like….

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Exactly.

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…or from the road esthetic person. Yes.

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Like most of my projects I’ve worked on
with Buck Robertson Contracting,

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the clients have been more interested
in like the interior and the space plan

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until we obviously start
getting into the concept of the exterior.

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And that’s the, “Oh, right.

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This is a part of the process, as well.”
They get more into it.

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But often people
I think forget about the exterior.

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They’re so excited about the interior
space plan and then, you know…

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They think of the home
as the interior living space,

00:26:06:25 – 00:26:10:09
but not as the view from the from the road
or yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So like as an example, like we’re working
on a renovation right now and like

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we’re really close to the setbacks
and they had suggested, “Oh, well,

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why don’t we just have less of an overhang
on that setback?” And my brain goes to

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right away like, no, that’s going to look
super lopsided on the front.

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It actually did end up
working out in our favor.

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But sort of that just as one example.

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So yeah, I guess
rooflines change can change quite a bit.

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Okay.

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That’s one thing where people
have a roof in mind and then they see it

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and think, “No, that’s
not what I want.” So is that usually like

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the actual

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style
of the roof or like the pitch of the roof?

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Both.

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Yeah, the style pitch proportion sort of.

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They didn’t really think like they didn’t
they, they,

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they thought it looked more proportionate
than it did

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or thought it would look
more proportionate than it did.

00:27:03:23 – 00:27:04:22
Yeah. “Roofs” is a big one…

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What about, what about,
“The windows you drew were just…

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I just need them…

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bigger!” *Laughs* Yeah that happens.

00:27:13:16 – 00:27:17:10
Yeah that definitely – yeah that happens –

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windows happen, too.

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Windows happen, too…

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Or did they already always start with…

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“Big windows…” “Just
just put the biggest windows

00:27:26:23 – 00:27:28:01
you can everywhere.” Totally!

00:27:28:01 – 00:27:30:21
Everybody is always
they always want like, “SO MUCH LIGHT!”

00:27:30:21 – 00:27:34:21
And I have word of mouth from a client
after we’ve we’ve designed and,

00:27:34:23 – 00:27:37:23
this is a previous job,
but we designed their house,

00:27:37:23 – 00:27:41:25
and we got to go toward
after it was built, and I put in some huge

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windows, massive transoms above as well,

00:27:46:00 – 00:27:48:20
and they looked just gorgeous.

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But the client straight up
said, like, “We couldn’t afford

00:27:51:21 – 00:27:55:08
the window coverings for these
when it came down to the build.” Yeah.

00:27:55:14 – 00:27:59:20
So they’ve got,
you know, they’ve sun just blasting in and

00:28:01:01 – 00:28:03:17
things like that need to be thought
about…

00:28:03:17 – 00:28:04:09
It’s funny

00:28:04:09 – 00:28:08:23
because like window coverings are often
almost the same cost as the window itself.

00:28:08:23 – 00:28:12:25
They’re so expensive and,
I mean, the quality of the product

00:28:12:25 – 00:28:15:18
is just going up
I find with window coverings but

00:28:16:09 – 00:28:20:19
like with cellular shades and more wooden
features and stuff, but yeah.

00:28:20:24 – 00:28:22:21
Sorry, I’m going on a tangent.
No, no, that’s good.

00:28:22:21 – 00:28:23:18
That’s what we’re here to do, right?

00:28:23:18 – 00:28:26:24
We just blurb about the things
that we could think of that

00:28:26:24 – 00:28:29:09
somebody would think that, you know,
“Maybe I thought of that.

00:28:29:09 – 00:28:31:04
Maybe I didn’t.” Yeah.

00:28:31:04 – 00:28:33:15
What else?

00:28:33:15 – 00:28:34:21
Oh, there’s so many. Yeah.

00:28:34:21 – 00:28:37:09
So roofs often get changed
quite a bit. Yeah.

00:28:37:09 – 00:28:39:26
Rooflines and bathrooms and kitchens.

00:28:39:26 – 00:28:41:16
Those are also.

00:28:41:16 – 00:28:44:23
And you would be surprised,
but I find my biggest struggle

00:28:44:23 – 00:28:47:06
with space planning is ensuites.

00:28:47:23 – 00:28:50:08
They can be so difficult

00:28:51:07 – 00:28:52:09
to space plan

00:28:52:09 – 00:28:56:05
sometimes and often I find
that is the – people want

00:28:56:05 – 00:28:59:20
to renovate that the most or they want
that to be, you know, their special area.

00:28:59:20 – 00:29:02:28
So that’s often,
I think, a frequent change, too.

00:29:04:28 – 00:29:08:01
Bathrooms are weird especially like
they’re they’re you know they’re…

00:29:08:02 – 00:29:09:20
You’re trying to jam
a lot of different things…

00:29:09:20 – 00:29:10:01
You really are

00:29:10:01 – 00:29:13:20
and like having the proper clearances
and then trying to stack the plumbing

00:29:13:20 – 00:29:15:19
with the other ones
– bathrooms can be a bit funky.

00:29:15:19 – 00:29:19:13
Or even just like what
your what your personal level,

00:29:19:13 – 00:29:21:25
what you think as like

00:29:22:25 – 00:29:26:06
separation between certain things
compared to the next person’s

00:29:26:18 – 00:29:30:24
idea of what as – like some people
are going to want the fully closed-off

00:29:31:11 – 00:29:34:21
bathroom stall where other people,
you know, you could have the the toilet

00:29:34:21 – 00:29:38:16
on the end of the vanity
and and some people would like choose not

00:29:38:16 – 00:29:39:20
to even have a door on it…

00:29:39:20 – 00:29:40:20
If it’s in their master.

00:29:40:20 – 00:29:43:19
It’s like, okay, well
that’s for some people and not for others.

00:29:43:19 – 00:29:47:22
It’s like that level of comfort
of how you feel in that space can be

00:29:47:28 – 00:29:50:14
completely different from one another.
Totally depends.

00:29:50:17 – 00:29:54:07
Totally depends
on the the the client, as well.

00:29:56:03 – 00:29:57:10
What else…

00:29:57:10 – 00:29:58:23
like double vanities.

00:29:58:23 – 00:30:02:00
I personally
I would rather a long single vanity

00:30:02:00 – 00:30:03:24
with more counter space
for all my products.

00:30:03:24 – 00:30:05:03
Yeah that would work more for me.

00:30:05:03 – 00:30:08:06
And yeah, it’s funny
because it’s not very often that

00:30:08:10 – 00:30:10:17
both people need to wash
their hands in the sink.

00:30:10:18 – 00:30:11:24
Yeah. Yeah…

00:30:11:24 – 00:30:14:21
Maybe I’m – maybe I’m wrong, but it’s like

00:30:15:11 – 00:30:18:00
usually one person might be needing

00:30:18:00 – 00:30:21:03
the sink, the other person’s
trying to get ready or vice versa.

00:30:21:03 – 00:30:25:24
But yeah, it’s,
it’s funny because yeah, you lose so much

00:30:27:01 – 00:30:29:13
vanity functionality

00:30:29:13 – 00:30:32:09
when you’ve got all this plumbing
underneath, as well as like count-

00:30:32:19 – 00:30:37:04
like the countertop space is one thing,
but also like all of your inner cabinet

00:30:37:20 – 00:30:41:02
that gets used up
because you still have to have the space

00:30:41:02 – 00:30:46:22
for the P-Trap and and and everything
else that’s underneath there.

00:30:48:03 – 00:30:53:25
But so in,

00:30:54:09 – 00:30:57:15
in that pre-construction, I guess
going back to that and thinking about

00:30:57:15 – 00:31:00:26
like – I was just thinking, we just talked
about bathrooms and kitchens, too.

00:31:00:26 – 00:31:01:19
It’s like

00:31:02:10 – 00:31:04:14
understanding

00:31:05:24 – 00:31:09:20
what type of kitchen
you’re hoping for early on.

00:31:09:20 – 00:31:16:24
It doesn’t have to be like the exact,
you know, stuff

00:31:16:24 – 00:31:22:05
like the style at this point is, is, is,
you know, is lower on the priority list

00:31:22:05 – 00:31:26:09
compared to the shape
or like how many appliances

00:31:26:09 – 00:31:29:16
you want to have in there
or like how important it is

00:31:29:16 – 00:31:34:02
that your – how you’re going to function
in that kitchen…

00:31:34:02 – 00:31:37:28
Like, is it going to be an entertain-
like with this open concept,

00:31:38:06 – 00:31:41:25
you know, the whole, in my mind,
the whole idea is that you’re able

00:31:41:25 – 00:31:46:00
to be in the kitchen but still involved
in the rest of the workings of the

00:31:46:00 – 00:31:47:09
of the living space.

00:31:47:09 – 00:31:51:07
And, and, you know, most kitchens
now have an island.

00:31:51:07 – 00:31:54:01
So then do you have the eating bar there?

00:31:54:01 – 00:31:55:05
Is that where you’re going to eat?

00:31:55:05 – 00:32:00:02
Or do you have the living room or like the
dining room, like a formal dining room?

00:32:00:12 – 00:32:02:13
I don’t know many people
that use a formal dining room,

00:32:02:13 – 00:32:05:08
but it’s still seems to be something
that people are making space for.

00:32:05:09 – 00:32:08:00
Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Just I guess

00:32:10:11 – 00:32:13:23
like systemically
people I think want those

00:32:13:23 – 00:32:15:11
even though they don’t use that space.

00:32:15:11 – 00:32:18:24
So that’s something we could keep in mind
moving forward, being like, do you really

00:32:18:24 – 00:32:24:04
need, you know, a huge 13 by 13
clearance for a dining room

00:32:24:04 – 00:32:27:25
table you’re never going to use
or can we utilize this in a different way?

00:32:27:29 – 00:32:28:27
It’s it’s funny

00:32:28:27 – 00:32:33:09
because like in this pre-construction,
too, you’re getting the opportunity

00:32:33:09 – 00:32:37:27
for us to ask you probing questions
about how you live your life.

00:32:37:27 – 00:32:38:22
(Totally) Right?

00:32:38:22 – 00:32:39:05
Yeah.

00:32:39:05 – 00:32:42:17
And like, if you get the time
to think about it compared to

00:32:43:07 – 00:32:46:20
if you designed your plan with a plan

00:32:46:20 – 00:32:50:05
designer in a silo of,

00:32:50:05 – 00:32:53:09
you know,
you and maybe three people at the most

00:32:53:09 – 00:32:56:22
could be involved in your
your planning of your house

00:32:57:07 – 00:32:59:29
when you’re just working
with a plan designer.

00:33:00:17 – 00:33:02:22
And then now you’ve gone, you’ve

00:33:02:22 – 00:33:06:09
you’ve got this house design,
now you’re passing it off to the builder.

00:33:06:16 – 00:33:08:22
Now he’s giving his thoughts on it.

00:33:09:13 – 00:33:12:09
And then and then
now you’ve got more to think about.

00:33:12:17 – 00:33:14:24
But now at this point,
you’re so far down the rabbit

00:33:14:24 – 00:33:15:29
hole of your plans and you’re…

00:33:15:29 – 00:33:17:25
You’ve paid your plan designer.

00:33:17:25 – 00:33:20:20
So, you know, at this point
you have to pay them hourly

00:33:20:20 – 00:33:23:11
to make those changes
because they’re done or.

00:33:23:14 – 00:33:25:17
Yeah, sorry – I didn’t mean to cut you
off… No, no, that’s exactly it. Yeah.

00:33:25:18 – 00:33:30:11
It’s like the more that you can kind of
cycle through your ideas

00:33:30:11 – 00:33:34:03
with as many people as possible,
the better that you’re going to be able

00:33:34:03 – 00:33:37:03
to understand what’s going to be important
to you on your project.

00:33:37:05 – 00:33:38:08
Totally. Yeah.

00:33:38:08 – 00:33:40:29
I also I forgot to mention earlier,
Jordan had mentioned

00:33:40:29 – 00:33:44:08
part of the pre-construction contract,
having an energy advisor coming in,

00:33:44:19 – 00:33:48:00
and also he talked about like rebates
with renovations.

00:33:48:00 – 00:33:50:06
And I was just talking to some
clients today about this.

00:33:51:19 – 00:33:52:15
You want

00:33:52:15 – 00:33:55:14
to get if you’re if you’re renovating

00:33:56:12 – 00:33:59:09
and you’re updating to a – it’s
an HRV, right?

00:33:59:09 – 00:34:01:14
(A heat pump.) Yeah, okay.

00:34:01:14 – 00:34:03:21
Sorry, it’s a heat pump. Yeah. Okay.

00:34:03:21 – 00:34:07:04
So if you’re updating to a heat pump,
you get a really big rebate from,

00:34:07:18 – 00:34:09:08
I think, BC Hydro.

00:34:09:08 – 00:34:11:02
Yeah, from BC Hydro.

00:34:11:02 – 00:34:14:28
And the only way you can do that
is if you get a pre energy inspection

00:34:14:28 – 00:34:18:06
and a post energy inspection –
and I only say this because I helped out

00:34:18:26 – 00:34:23:00
some some neighbors with theirs and,
unfortunately, they weren’t advised

00:34:23:00 – 00:34:28:12
on getting the pre installation review
and they lost the whole rebate.

00:34:28:12 – 00:34:31:14
So I just – he had mentioned it earlier
and for anybody who’s looking to do that,

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just make sure you got a pre installation
for your heating systems.

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And the goal is
when you’re getting this energy

00:34:39:09 – 00:34:42:16
audit is to it’s to benchmark
what’s existing

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to compare to where you’re going
and that’s that’s

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how they can determine how-
what your grant capability is.

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Because if if they don’t know
what you had before,

00:34:54:23 – 00:34:57:20
then how do they know
that you’re upgrading it at all?

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So that it’s like a proof of

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inferior to

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to (functional) functional
or higher performance…

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equipment. Yeah. Yep.

00:35:10:28 – 00:35:15:22
No, no, that’s no,
I think that that’s like I we could

00:35:15:29 – 00:35:20:01
we could probably talk more
about pre-construction and we’d love to

00:35:20:14 – 00:35:24:02
chat with anybody that has interest
in understanding more about that.

00:35:24:22 – 00:35:25:26
There’s obviously a cost

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to pre-construction contract
because nobody works for free.

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So that’s important to understand.

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And, and, and you get value.

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So the value that you’re going to get
is you’re going to get a scope of work,

00:35:40:05 – 00:35:44:01
you’re going to get a budget, you’re
going to get a pre-construction schedule.

00:35:44:01 – 00:35:45:21
So that’s going to be

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an idea
of how long your project’s going to take.

00:35:50:03 – 00:35:54:05
Yes, that may change because of,
you know, material availability,

00:35:55:00 – 00:35:57:26
late labor

00:35:57:26 – 00:35:59:23
availability,

00:36:00:14 – 00:36:02:25
your plans getting – Yes, city delays

00:36:02:25 – 00:36:05:25
and engineer delays
and any of these things.

00:36:05:25 – 00:36:10:23
But at least you have an idea
going into it.

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And and so that’s that’s that package.

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We’re also delivering

00:36:16:18 – 00:36:20:03
a list of sub trades with

00:36:20:03 – 00:36:21:07
contract

00:36:23:04 – 00:36:26:15
estimates
so that you know what you’re getting into.

00:36:26:25 – 00:36:31:14
Hopefully we’ve got majority to all the
material picked out for you at that point.

00:36:31:23 – 00:36:36:18
The other thing too about pre-construction
contract is if you want to,

00:36:36:18 – 00:36:39:17
you can take
that pre-construction contract and then

00:36:40:15 – 00:36:42:21
bring it out to bid with contractors

00:36:42:21 – 00:36:46:18
because at that point
you are comparing apples to apples

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if the pre-construction contract
is done well.

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So that’s if the there is a scope of work.

00:36:51:19 – 00:36:52:04
It’s important

00:36:52:04 – 00:36:55:29
to understand that that’s your apples
to apples and material selection.

00:36:55:29 – 00:36:58:05
So if you have the right
materials picked out

00:36:59:12 – 00:37:00:06
or if you have

00:37:00:06 – 00:37:04:09
materials picked out, then, you know,
you’re really comparing apples to apples.

00:37:04:11 – 00:37:06:23
Are you sort of talking in a sense
where if they didn’t build with Buck

00:37:06:24 – 00:37:09:05
Robertson Contracting then (Yeah)
they can present this package?

00:37:09:05 – 00:37:12:12
(Yeah) I feel like that would just –
I personally would feel

00:37:12:12 – 00:37:17:01
so much more confident going into a build,
as just a civilian building her house,

00:37:17:20 – 00:37:21:27
having that pre-construction contract,
as I feel like it’s just more

00:37:23:27 – 00:37:24:17
failsafe.

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Like I’ve come in –
I have the confidence of two professionals

00:37:28:14 – 00:37:28:26
behind me

00:37:28:26 – 00:37:33:15
who gave me this paperwork and now I’m
handing it to another professional.

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And it’s difficult for them,
the other professionals, to question

00:37:36:13 – 00:37:38:08
that or something. It would be so…

00:37:38:08 – 00:37:44:27
(Yeah) Yeah – and sometimes it’s
not even about the – well, it yeah.

00:37:44:28 – 00:37:48:20
Often it, it can be about price
but it doesn’t have to be.

00:37:48:20 – 00:37:51:00
It could be that you’re looking for

00:37:51:26 – 00:37:55:05
somebody that is,

00:37:56:08 – 00:37:59:02
maybe has a different outlook
on how they run

00:37:59:02 – 00:38:03:00
their business compared to one another
or maybe your personality is different

00:38:03:09 – 00:38:07:12
or maybe you, you know, this person
that also is a builder.

00:38:07:12 – 00:38:10:03
So you just wanted to understand

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what,
you know, get another price from somebody.

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But if if if the
other builder has all of the

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a lot of

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the pre-work done for him,
then he is able to speed up that time.

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And instead of spending, you know,

00:38:31:26 – 00:38:35:15
40 to 160 hours on an estimate,

00:38:35:21 – 00:38:37:29
he’s he’s he’s cut that down

00:38:38:15 – 00:38:41:25
in half or less to make it more reasonable

00:38:41:25 – 00:38:45:18
for him to feel like
he might want to bid on that project.

00:38:45:18 – 00:38:46:23
I see. Okay. Yeah.

00:38:46:23 – 00:38:48:09
Because otherwise he’s now

00:38:48:09 – 00:38:51:23
having to go through all this education
and and that’s what that pre construction

00:38:51:23 – 00:38:54:22
is, is it’s educating the customers
so that they understand.

00:38:54:27 – 00:38:55:15
Totally.

00:38:55:15 – 00:38:59:04
What it’s going to take
to build your house. Yes.

00:38:59:04 – 00:39:02:16
So another thing that we can talk about
a little bit in

00:39:02:16 – 00:39:06:09
pre-construction
contract is you’re able to do

00:39:06:24 – 00:39:09:26
integrated project design
or integrated product delivery.

00:39:10:04 – 00:39:13:07
And and when your what that means

00:39:13:07 – 00:39:16:14
is you’re able to have input

00:39:17:22 – 00:39:18:22
from your

00:39:18:22 – 00:39:22:00
from your trade partners,
say it was your electrician

00:39:22:07 – 00:39:25:23
or HVAC contractor,
and they can look over your plans

00:39:27:00 – 00:39:30:17
and discuss with you, “Okay,
how do we plan to get this

00:39:30:17 – 00:39:36:16
from here to there?”
Or even like a lighting

00:39:37:00 – 00:39:40:00
consultant and understanding how

00:39:40:00 – 00:39:44:10
you like the light to come into your room

00:39:44:10 – 00:39:49:18
or how if we’re making a reading nook,
how bright that needs to be.

00:39:49:18 – 00:39:50:22
Is it all natural light?

00:39:50:22 – 00:39:53:04
Is it -whatever…

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But I guess the main thing to understand
about the pre-construction

00:39:57:03 – 00:39:59:03
is there is going to be value.

00:39:59:03 – 00:40:01:28
You’re going to get a bunch
of deliverables,

00:40:02:03 – 00:40:04:00
you’re going to feel more informed.

00:40:04:00 – 00:40:06:13
Whoever you are, we’re going to be there.

00:40:06:13 – 00:40:10:06
We’re going to be there for you to help
you understand

00:40:10:06 – 00:40:13:03
what’s going to be important for you
in your house. Yeah. Yes.

00:40:13:03 – 00:40:15:12
Time to get closest with your designer.

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And I’m there for you.

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I’m there to make changes.

00:40:18:25 – 00:40:21:08
I’m there for your your your criticisms.

00:40:21:27 – 00:40:24:21
It’s it’s
we want to make it “perfect” for you.

00:40:24:21 – 00:40:30:08
So, yeah, pre-construction, you’re going
to be spending a lot of time with me.

00:40:30:08 – 00:40:31:29
*Laughs* Right on.

00:40:31:29 – 00:40:37:16
Well, yeah, I really appreciate everybody
coming to watch another episode.

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We’re on episode 5: Pre-Construction.

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You can find us on YouTube. Any of the

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podcast

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networks, and we look
forward to seeing you on the next one.

00:40:49:11 – 00:40:50:22
Thank you very much. Bye for now.

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Thanks, everybody, for joining! See you later!

Prefer to read the podcast Episode 6?

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Speaker 1
Hi. My name’s Jordan.

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Speaker 2
My name’s Rhiannon.

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Speaker 1
And this is “Better Building With Buck” episode 6. Today we’re going to be talk about roofs and different roof designs.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, we’re going to kind of go over the styles. Um, sort of benefits. Non benefits to roofs. Yeah, just roofs. They’re pretty cool.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, it’s funny ‘cause, like, when, when we start to go through the, like, design process, people aren’t, some people are like really think about roofs, but not not a lot. Do you agree?

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Speaker 2
Totally. I totally nobody ever thinks about the roofs. And if you even told me in my first year of design school that I would I would be smitten with roofs or that I would find roofs to be like the sexiest thing ever. I would call you a liar because it was just so far off my “rader”… radar? Radar!

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Speaker 2
You know, when I started my design journey. So. Yes. Even as a professional, it was really off my radar. But clients really don’t seem to put a lot of thought into it until you get to that exterior concept. And then they see it and think, whoa, whoa, whoa, that’s not what I want. And you kind of go from there.

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Speaker 2
So.

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Speaker 1
(Sorry I don’t -) No no that that’s fair – it’s interesting to think… I’m not, I guess, often… you’ve probably had more experience with that where where they’re like, you’ve sent them this drawing and you’re like, well, this is how this roof kind of like fits on the house. But they’re like, “Well, that’s not the house I envisioned.”

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Speaker 2
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
It’s you know, it’s interesting.

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Speaker 2
I guess you’re right. Yeah. Because when you’re kind of dealing with the roofs, you it’s done. It’s it’s on the plans. It’s through the city. They’ve approved it. So that’s where you’re going with, um.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. Or like the, the, the, the plan designers going back and forth with the customer and then I kinda, like, get involved a little bit later. But yeah, sometimes you look at it and you go, like, “Well, that doesn’t make any sense” or like it from a building point of view or like, you know, we might do this roof because it’ll be cheaper.

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Speaker 1
Like sometimes people aren’t thinking about like a super steep roof can be more expensive ‘cause soon as a roof, the more steep the roof gets, the more shingles you’re going to have or whatever roofing material. Also, like the sheathing, everything that goes in the roof, the trusts are going to be bigger. And then also the labor gets more expensive because you can’t you can’t even walk on it when it gets, you know, after like I, I don’t know, probably like 1012 is depending on the crew would be it would really start to slow things down and start to cost more maybe even like an 812 your prices might start increasing on the roof.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Just makes it so much more difficult. I mean, how do you even you feel like you’re having to haul up materials as you’re using them and you don’t actually have a –

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Speaker 1
Place to set ‘em.

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Speaker 2
A place to set them up there.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. And like they also have to do little jacks on the roof, so that they’re standing off of something to work.

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Speaker 2
Totally like one of those climbing things. That’s what I’m envisioning, climbing up the roof.

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Speaker 1
You don’t have – they don’t have ice picks.

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Speaker 2
Okay. There we go. Yeah, carabiners. That’s what I was thinking!

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Speaker 1
Yeah, they do have they’d have to be harness in right. The harness is actually like depending on how you’re using, it can actually be like more of a nuisance because the, the, where you’re hooked in is behind your back. Right. And you’re like going up the hill. Yeah. So then if you’re like, yeah, and it’s twisting, you kind of totally want to be spun around.

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Speaker 1
So they got like little they’re called roof jacks. So it’s like a little metal piece comes down and it comes out and then you put like a plank across it to build off of it.

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Speaker 2
Sweet. That’s interesting. Thanks for sharing. Yeah, neat.

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Speaker 1
But yeah. So when you start having to have stuff like that, you could see how that could really start to slow things down.

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Speaker 2
Definitely. Another thing to add is like if you have like a roof in mind, sort of say you show us like a really cool mess- er – Wes- sorry, West Coast modern home and it’s got say it’s got some, some butterfly roofs or some mono pitch roofs sort of sitting like this. But the but the plans that you’ve given me say are like are for a really skinny, narrow lot or something.

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Speaker 2
So, you know, these rooflines are not going to look anything like what you’ve kind of provided me with your inspiration. The floor plan is heavily going to determine what your roof what your roof plans are going to look like, how high roofs are going to be. So, for instance, if you did want a really high pitch, say a really high pitched gable, but you had a really skinny house that’s going to be like your house is just going to look like this.

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Speaker 2
So it is important to think about these things sort of from when we say that a lot. But that’s part of the process. It’s important to think about these things when you’re in the beginning preliminary process of design.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. And that’s like this is a matter of like the experience of the person has them, like with exactly the reaction that you had. It’s like you’ve gone through this process of like the person coming back and be like, “This is what I was thinking.” So now when you’re going through this planning process, you’re starting to think about this roof a little sooner and and trying to get some more of that information out of them.

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Speaker 1
Like, let’s get some more inspirational photos so that you can – and like some people, it’s, you know, it’s hard for them to get some of that stuff. But like, it’s really important to understand this. The more information that you can share with the person that’s going to be building or creating your house, the more likely they can get it the way that you’re that you’re wanting.

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Speaker 2
And the roof is like I mean, do I dare say it’s like I feel like the main driving force behind the concept that you’re going to want. So the roof is going to define the look you want to go with.

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Speaker 1
The at least from the road for sure.

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Speaker 2
From the road for sure of course, the interior is going to have all your touches and stuff. But I, I guess I dare say the roof is going to define what you want to see your exterior like the idea that you have for your exterior is going to predominantly be defined by your roof and then the finishes will come after that and then the landscaping and such.

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Speaker 2
So yeah, correct me if I’m wrong.

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Speaker 1
No, no no – I agree with that. It’s like, yeah, ‘cause most houses, you know – and it’s funny because it feels like it’s just like it’s like the little hat that you put on the roof. But, like, if the roof has got, like, you talked about the mono pitch or like shed roof stuff, it’s like then, you know, you have the lot like different like gables or I guess lack of gables

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Speaker 1
that are on the building like a big I don’t know what you want to call that shape, but like.

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Speaker 2
Hm.

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Speaker 1
Can’t think of what you call that shape… Anyway – it would come, come up and then and then slope like this compared to like kind of triangles on the top, like a more traditional house shape.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
And yeah, it can definitely start to change things up (totally). And, and then yeah. And like different types of roofs also give you different features on the house, too, like whether you’re going to be doing posts or, or not doing posts or vaults and… (Yeah) Yeah, I don’t know. There’s lots of different things you can do with the roof for sure.

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Speaker 2
Okay. So I think let’s maybe get to some like styles of roofs. (Okay.) What do you think – we’ll chat about that? Okay, cool, cool. First one that comes to mind for us, I think because it’s like the easiest to build and I think the most cost effective is a hip roof. (Yeah.) And we came up with the definition for that to try to make it clear, difficult to convey over podcast.

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Speaker 2
But just imagine that a hip roof – every single roof plane is going to be sloping and meeting at a ridge point and somewhere on the roof. Lots of people will also *blip* also call it a hip and valley roof. So where I guess.

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Speaker 1
Yeah like and any roof when we talk about the, the the valley, the valleys kind of the inside corner where the hip is the outside corner is another way to explain that in like the more cut up your roof is or the more jig jobs you have in the roof, the more hips and valleys you’re going to have, which that does add costs because you’ve got more pieces to tie in.

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Speaker 1
But the reason why it’s cheaper is because you don’t have a gable end to finish, which usually is a more expensive material selection to have to deal with. And then also you lose a little bit of say on that gable end wall if you have any windows or doors then you start to lose coverage for protecting those from from the rain.

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Speaker 1
And we do live in a rain forest. So that’s always something to think about. I guess, kind of going from the hip – do you have more to add about the hip and valley?

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Speaker 2
Nope. I think just sort of if it were to kind of fall, it actually, I think it falls for a broad range of styles like hip is almost like the base of roof, like I feel like a lot of roofs or whether you go with like a, a design that has a ton of cables, there’s going to be some hips in there for sure.

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Speaker 2
So it’s just a good like ground point for roofs. You’re going to see hips anywhere. And I guess sort of a style? Yeah. So it’s hard to nail down a style, but I’ve noticed a lot of new houses recently who don’t necessarily want to go with a flat roof because it costs more. And it’s I think what I have learned from Jordan is water damage can happen because it’s flat and just collects and we’re in the middle of a rainforest.

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Speaker 2
So a lot of people I’m seeing are going with like a with like a really low pitch hip and like a really high fascia and it’s giving it like a nice flat roof look if you’re kind of looking at it from, say, the perspective of a front porch and you’ve got two massive stone pillars or something. So that works with a wide variety of stuff.

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Speaker 1
Kind of making the house feel a little bit more like stumpy and short and long because that’s kind of like that modern is like just kind of like grounding it and then like stretching the house compared to like more traditional is like making it skinny and tall.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree. Should we move on to gables?

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Speaker 1
I was just going to say about the Dutch Hip, too.

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Speaker 2
Oh yeah for sure.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. While we’re talking about…

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Speaker 2
Oh yeah – hips, yeah.

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Speaker 1
(Cool.) Yeah. So there’s also something called Dutch Hip which is kind of like if you still want to have a gable but you want to have roof protection or a window and door protection, then you have a hip roof where then you still have like a little piece of gable, which also I think that I really like Dutch Hips just because like you still get a little bit of like character put on there.

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Speaker 1
It’s a smaller piece, so it’s less expensive, too. Not that everything, you know, we have to think about less expensive, but it’s if you think about your roof as a raincoat or as like a a rain hat, maybe even – when that water comes down and then you’re protecting all the rest of the house, the roof’s job is to direct the water that hits your house to go into the gutters and get away from your house as fast as you can because water is the number one killer houses.

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Speaker 1
So if you can design your roof thinking about, okay, when that water starts hitting my roof, how does it get from the top of the roof down to the gutters as fast as it can, in a way, and that you’re not building up particularly inside corners with. So if you have two roofs that have two valleys that are coming together and there’s a short span of gutter, then you have to take all of that roof section and it’s all pouring down into that tiny little gutter.

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Speaker 1
So that’s another thing that’s important to understand about when you’re designing a roof is that if you start to have tons of water collecting in that in that gutter, then that’s when you can start to have failures, too. Because that water if say you don’t aren’t doing regular maintenance, which you should be of your gutters, then if that water starts to build up in your gutter, then starts to run over and now is it running around to the back of the gutter and hitting the wood like raw wood, or is it hitting the maybe the gutters got a little bit of a tilt forward and then it’s running and coming over the front of the

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Speaker 1
gutter, but then that water comes over, runs back, and sometimes it will start to like stain on your on your soffit line. So…

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
But… That was kind of another little random tangent, but (that’s good). I just like that. I like Dutch Hips and I like that you can have a little bit of character, but it’s also fairly cost effective. Yeah. So that’s that’s my kind.

00:13:06:06 – 00:13:25:16
Speaker 2
I think they’re adorable. They’re like the nicest little touch of character. (Yeah.) Yeah. Just just really perfect. Especially on, like, carriage houses. I find, like, they just are so cute for that cottage look. (Yeah.) Cool. I guess we can talk about gable now that we’ve kind of gone into… Yeah, gable is… I mean, as you know, it’s just simple.

00:13:25:16 – 00:13:48:05
Speaker 2
Just like that. You can do it. Lots of styles do it, I guess. Traditional arts and crafts, gothic and Victorian. Victorian. You’re going with like 18 out of 12 pitches really, really, really high pitches. Um, and let’s see, what are some benefits to gables or…

00:13:48:21 – 00:14:16:16
Speaker 1
Well, yeah, it’s like the gable. So like just a straight gable roof is probably actually your cheapest roof. Now that I think about it because you’re going to have if if it’s on a square box and a straight gable because you’re just gonna have the same common trusses all the way through. Yeah. Yeah. And it’s the fastest, too, for them to sheet and clad or I guess roof.

00:14:16:28 – 00:14:32:21
Speaker 2
Whatever if we did like a cross like I’ve seen like a cross gable like on like a big rancher house, which I think looks awesome. Like everybody loves modern farmhouses right now and I’ve seen like, boom, it’s just the cross. Yeah, that would probably be a pretty basic truss layout, too, hey?

00:14:32:27 – 00:14:51:09
Speaker 1
In the middle it gets a little bit complicated because you’d end up having to yeah, one side would have to have it or one roof would have to be the like more dominant roof or the other. (Yeah.) And the other one I would have to tie…

00:14:51:10 – 00:14:53:03
Speaker 2
Like tie into the. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

00:14:53:10 – 00:15:29:28
Speaker 1
So when we were talking about that project the other day with the jack, no, not the jack rafters, they’re called… a dormer set which what a dormer set is when you when you’re framing a roof, it’s like extra trusses that get put on top of the roof to kind of fill in and do like a gable that’s kind of maybe is built up off of the the the front of the it’s not how to explain that when you frame the roof, there’s going to be a gable that you sheet and then you’re going to put these trusses on top of it to like build another section of roof on top of there.

00:15:30:06 – 00:15:34:24
Speaker 1
And so that is I’m not sure where I was going with that, but.

00:15:36:03 – 00:15:37:08
Speaker 2
We were talking about the cross gable.

00:15:37:12 – 00:15:55:17
Speaker 1
Oh yeah. Yeah. So in that so in that situation, you’re going to do, you’re going to do the whole single roof as one gable, and then that other one gets mostly finished. And then you’re putting these like rafters on top of this other roof to fill in that section and make those multiple, multiple valleys.

00:15:55:20 – 00:16:22:00
Speaker 2
I gotcha. Yep. I’m following. Cool, cool, cool, cool. Let’s do, I guess, mono pitch roofs we can move into. Sorry. Are you ready to switch from gables to mono pitch? So you see those on a lot of modern houses, mono pitches or shed we call them a shed roof? There’s tons of. Was there any other words you can think of? I’m sure it’ll all come to mind after the podcast, but mono pitch and shed is kind of the ones that come to mind right now.

00:16:22:00 – 00:16:30:24
Speaker 2
(Yeah.) Those… I don’t have much to add, myself. I don’t know if you’ve built much them.

00:16:30:24 – 00:16:46:23
Speaker 1
The only thing that I find weird is like sometimes when the one the one roof butts into the other roof and then there’s a tiny little piece of siding there. Yeah. Like, I think if you’re going to do it, it has to be like enough to make it look like it makes sense…

00:16:46:23 – 00:16:49:11
Speaker 2
And like have some transom windows or something.

00:16:49:11 – 00:16:50:12
Speaker 1
Yeah, something in there.

00:16:50:12 – 00:17:00:18
Speaker 2
Totally. I agree. I think it looks I think that roof line has been used quite a bit like sort of imagining like.

00:17:00:18 – 00:17:03:21
Speaker 1
On some of the worst buildings I’ve ever seen built.

00:17:03:21 – 00:17:11:26
Speaker 2
I’ve seen like it’s it’s just been, you know, just sort of slapped on. Yeah. Slapped on to a lot of houses over the last 10 years.

00:17:11:26 – 00:17:31:01
Speaker 1
I just saw a house that’s like a couple of blocks from here. And literally it’s a two foot wide. So it’s a, it’s a hip roof with this mono pitch on one side. And then on the other side, they have a little two foot strip of roof. So that when you look at it from the road…

00:17:31:01 – 00:17:31:28
Speaker 2
It looks like a…

00:17:32:00 – 00:17:33:25
Speaker 1
Oh, I almost vomited.

00:17:34:07 – 00:17:35:20
Speaker 2
I totally yeah.

00:17:35:24 – 00:17:37:08
Speaker 1
It was just like, wow.

00:17:37:19 – 00:17:38:27
Speaker 2
I mean, was it a renovation or?

00:17:38:27 – 00:17:39:29
Speaker 1
No, no, this is a brand new house.

00:17:39:29 – 00:17:50:27
Speaker 2
Ooh, I was like… I can understand doing something janky in a renovation, but I mean, not for a new build. And even then try not to do janky with renovations. But yeah, sometimes.

00:17:50:27 – 00:17:55:02
Speaker 1
Well, yeah, sometimes you just got to like when it comes to renovations, it’s tricky sometimes…

00:17:55:02 – 00:18:22:11
Speaker 2
To tie it all in and you have to match the heights and stuff. That’s like another. Yeah, that’s actually a good topic, you know, we should do a podcast on renovations one of these days. Yeah. So I mean, obviously me and Jordan aren’t the biggest fans of those roofs, but I think they’re just overused and used improperly. I really like seeing them on like a West Coast transitional higher end home where there is a big budget for a lot of glazing.

00:18:22:17 – 00:18:33:17
Speaker 2
Like, as we said, if you’re going to look see a roof like this, it’s going to you know, it’s going to be nice for you to have that wall space filled with windows or some sort of feature as opposed to just siding from the side of the road. Yeah.

00:18:34:11 – 00:18:40:26
Speaker 1
And also like that’s a great way to be able to try and get more solar heat gain, too.

00:18:40:27 – 00:18:41:11
Speaker 2
Totally.

00:18:41:17 – 00:19:17:22
Speaker 1
So when we talk about solar heat gain that’s where you’re getting free energy from the sun coming into your house. So that way if you were say your house was north, north, pointing northwest for the directions that it made sense for the road, then you could have a roof like roofline like that, and then pop, pop that up and then have all these windows on that southern face start shooting that light into your living room or wherever, gaining all that free heat and yeah, being able to save some money.

00:19:19:06 – 00:19:32:29
Speaker 2
I guess we will move on to flat roofs. (Yeah.) Just kind of doo, doo, doo, doo lowering the pitch as we go. So chat about flat roofs again you’ll see that on West Coast transitional modern houses. What else will we see.

00:19:34:00 – 00:19:39:07
Speaker 1
When you’re thinking you’ll see it on houses where you’re thinking about having a pool on top of your house?

00:19:39:07 – 00:19:47:13
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, wow. That would be so nice. Hello, Engineering, please help.

00:19:47:21 – 00:19:51:26
Speaker 1
Well, I was just thinking about that the more like you didn’t clean out your…

00:19:51:26 – 00:19:59:03
Speaker 2
Oh, you’re joking. Like, you’re literally saying, like they’re hoping for a pool from the rainforest weather. I see. Okay.

00:20:00:00 – 00:20:18:15
Speaker 1
Sorry. (No, it’s good, it’s good.) It’s my, it’s my dad jokes coming in to play there – I can’t help myself. (True.) But yeah it’s like, okay, we live in a rainforest. What are you thinking? Yeah, why do we have flat roofs? Like it just doesn’t make any sense. Get the water off your roof as fast as you can. We live in a rainforest.

00:20:18:15 – 00:20:26:02
Speaker 1
I’m. I’m total anti flat roof, clearly. But they do – I’m not saying that they don’t look good. That’s fine.

00:20:26:06 – 00:20:28:28
Speaker 2
They definitely can look sexy. (Yeah…)

00:20:29:15 – 00:20:32:23
Speaker 1
When you live in a rainforest, let’s pick a different roof.

00:20:32:29 – 00:20:44:16
Speaker 2
So what? So again, I’ve never built anything but my experience with flat roof is that you need to use, like, a way more expensive gutter system to to deal with the water. Is that true?

00:20:44:17 – 00:20:49:09
Speaker 1
Like so they usually have like a hidden gutter system, so.

00:20:49:09 – 00:20:50:16
Speaker 2
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:50:16 – 00:21:13:26
Speaker 1
So it, it is more expensive in the fact that there’s… so sometimes okay, so there’s you can do a parapet wall which a parapet wall would be like a flat flat roof and then it comes up and then there’s a little like stub wall there and then the issue with that is like if there’s any sort of you have to waterproof all this stuff and like.

00:21:14:04 – 00:21:19:09
Speaker 2
That’s a cavity, right? A parapet gives you a cavity in the roof system, too, like a pretty deep one.

00:21:19:14 – 00:21:48:09
Speaker 1
Yeah, it can. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And, and sometimes – it depends on like what you’re trying to achieve with like the, we could call it maybe the fascia line or like the amount of height that you’re looking for that projects out like. So you’re going to have your building coming down and then it projects out for your overhang potentially if you’ve even gone and maybe you’ve decided that you really want a disaster and you don’t even put an overhang on your house.

00:21:48:13 – 00:21:50:04
Speaker 2
They call it low profile.

00:21:50:11 – 00:22:06:28
Speaker 1
Yeah. So when you really want your house to leak, you pick you pick a flat roof and then you don’t put in any overhangs to protect your windows. So if that’s what you’re looking for that’s what you do. You want your house to leak? That’s what you do when you live in a rainforest. But anyways *laughs* I can’t help myself.

00:22:06:28 – 00:22:09:24
Speaker 2
*Laughs* Not a fan of flat roofs. (No.)

00:22:10:13 – 00:22:24:17
Speaker 1
So anyways. But so the *laughs* so the parapet is where if you have an overhang potentially and then you want to come up so it looks beefier. (Right.) It makes your building look taller, I guess.

00:22:24:19 – 00:22:26:13
Speaker 2
Yeah. And it’s chunky like thick roof!

00:22:26:13 – 00:22:35:29
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. And like, depending on what you’re trying to do, you might even like switch up that entire material choice. And then it’s like this band of like (totally) whatever.

00:22:36:00 – 00:22:55:24
Speaker 2
Looks like concrete or something. Yeah. Yep. Alternatively, you can go with a smaller system of just like a joist, right? You can just do like a roof joist as you would like a floor joist, right? And that would be still just as problematic when it comes to moisture. (Well, it’s just yeah.)

00:22:55:24 – 00:23:15:17
Speaker 1
So like you have the moisture from the top, but then you also have the moisture from the bottom. So like you’re trying. So if you have a really tall flat roof from the like truss side from like bottom of ceiling to top of truss where you have the potential ability for lots of air of movement in there.

00:23:15:28 – 00:23:17:00
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00:23:18:04 – 00:23:37:06
Speaker 1
Then you’re doing not bad, but often flat roofs are like, we’re trying to jam as much insulation as we can in there. And then there’s like a tiny little air gap. So, and like if that’s not being able to have air move through there to go through, it’s wet like wet dry cycles then it’s going to rot.

00:23:37:08 – 00:23:38:27
Speaker 2
Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah.

00:23:38:28 – 00:23:40:01
Speaker 1
Oh, go ahead…

00:23:40:02 – 00:23:40:19
Speaker 2
No, no, no you.

00:23:40:19 – 00:24:11:02
Speaker 1
And like there’s, the thing is, too, is like doing exterior insulation is a little it’s a much safer in my mind at least if you’re going to do a flat roof assembly, but you’re just like adding more costs. So you’re, you’re… To do it right. Or at least in my mind, do it right. You’re adding way more cost to something that is has a higher potential of failure anyway.

00:24:11:12 – 00:24:20:29
Speaker 1
So it’s like you’re, it’s like you’re putting bad, bad money into, into it. You’re putting more money into a bad roof system.

00:24:21:11 – 00:24:21:17
Speaker 2
Totally. Yeah.

00:24:21:20 – 00:24:26:22
Speaker 1
And it’s like, okay, well at some point you just got to go, like, “Is that what I really need?”

00:24:26:22 – 00:24:27:00
Speaker 2
Mm hmm.

00:24:27:16 – 00:24:28:01
Speaker 1
Maybe not.

00:24:28:02 – 00:24:30:08
Speaker 2
Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah, totally.

00:24:30:14 – 00:24:38:27
Speaker 1
And, like, some flat roofs aren’t like, like, crazy flat. Like, we talk about these, like, mono pitch, right? So, like, (Was gonna to say…)

00:24:38:27 – 00:24:45:22
Speaker 2
We should talk about pitches and torch on versus shingle and like metal – as you were kind of – it was dangling around in my brain.

00:24:45:25 – 00:25:07:22
Speaker 1
Yeah it’s just like a flat roof you can if it’s got a decent amount of pitch in there like a 112 or something like that then yeah that’s reasonable. But if you’re, if it’s anything less, it’s… even 112 it’s, I don’t know it’s still pushing it …

00:25:07:22 – 00:25:22:00
Speaker 2
I’ve heard that like if – I’ve heard in my drafting journey is that if your pitch is below 2 it’s going to be torch on and then if it’s above 2 you can go with shingle or metal. Is that true?

00:25:22:05 – 00:25:37:03
Speaker 1
Well, yeah, there’s lots of different like so it doesn’t there’s other products other than torch on that you can do flat roofs like I think there’s like EPDM which is kind of like a best way to explain it… If you were to look at it is like Zodiac boat material.

00:25:37:10 – 00:25:40:21
Speaker 2
Okay. Oh yeah. Sweet. Yeah, cool. Okay.

00:25:40:23 – 00:25:46:25
Speaker 1
And then there’s like there’s a bunch or there’s a couple other different types of roofing, like for flat roof applications.

00:25:46:27 – 00:26:03:25
Speaker 2
Which one would be, which would be… Okay – is it more economical to just stay? It’s obviously going to be better for drainage to stay with a bit of a pitch. Is it going to be more economical to stay away from these torch on or products alike?

00:26:03:25 – 00:26:21:24
Speaker 1
Well, yeah, like a a shingle roof is substantially cheaper than a torch on roof. The other thing too is like the – if is torch on, for instance, the liability that they have for burnt like potentially burning down your house because they’ve got a torch. Yeah, they’ve got a big torch on top of your…

00:26:21:25 – 00:26:22:09
Speaker 2
Right.

00:26:23:05 – 00:26:55:05
Speaker 1
Hot finished wood-framed house. Yeah. Yeah. So it’s and like they’ve been doing it for a long time and like you don’t you hope and most guys have like an experienced crew and stuff like that and you know, you’ve got to pick the right crew. You’re not just getting the guy that said, you know, he shows up at your job site and is like, “Hey, I’ve got – I can be here tomorrow to do your roof and we’re going to get some torches out!” And you’re like, “No, you’re not.”

00:26:55:05 – 00:26:57:09
Speaker 2
“Don’t get those torches anywhere near my house.”

00:26:58:00 – 00:27:10:06
Speaker 1
Yeah. So, but yeah. And then there’s Yeah. Metal roofs like they, they have value, too, like the life span that you’re going to get on them and but they are substantially more expensive.

00:27:10:06 – 00:27:15:02
Speaker 2
Right. Okay. Yeah. Cool, cool, cool.

00:27:15:02 – 00:27:25:24
Speaker 1
Yeah. We, we were going to talk about a couple other types of roofs, too, and Rhiannon wanted to kind of talk about this cat slide roof and… Well, you were excited about it!

00:27:25:24 – 00:27:41:22
Speaker 2
I just I think it’s just really cool. (Yeah.) You see it on like some Tudor homes and it’s pretty common in Oak Bay. But if you ever sort of if you ever see like a gable that’s that one of it is it’s got like a little bend to it that’s called a Cat Slide Roof. And I just think…

00:27:41:26 – 00:27:43:13
Speaker 1
They do look pretty sweet.

00:27:43:13 – 00:28:03:23
Speaker 2
They are really cool. (Yeah.) Yeah. I think they’re like, what? I’ve seen it on like French Country. I’ve seen it on Tudor, Tudor homes. Yeah. And lots in Oak Bay. I just think it’s a really sort of funky, funky design. (Yeah.) You don’t see it much these days either. I think curved roofs are probably going to make a come back soon here.

00:28:04:03 – 00:28:08:29
Speaker 1
Yeah I some, some guys are doing that like the barrel roof too.

00:28:09:01 – 00:28:18:29
Speaker 2
I’ve seen – I’ve worked on like some entryways with that or even like an asymmetrical kind of like wave looking things and stuff.

00:28:18:29 – 00:28:29:02
Speaker 1
With more engineered wood products doing like the, the glue lams just ordering like curved glue lam beams that are so cool. Yeah.

00:28:29:10 – 00:28:34:02
Speaker 2
Obviously they’re pricey – I can imagine. Yes, those can be up there.

00:28:34:04 – 00:28:40:07
Speaker 1
But and the nice thing though is like they, they can be not only structural but also…

00:28:41:08 – 00:28:41:18
Speaker 2
Very esthetically pleasing.

00:28:41:18 – 00:28:43:08
Speaker 1
Yeah, very esthetically pleasing.

00:28:43:14 – 00:28:48:03
Speaker 2
Yeah. So worth it. I mean, if you’re going to get one of those, you know what you’re in for.

00:28:48:06 – 00:29:05:24
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you’re not doing it because you’re looking for the most cost effective house. You’re doing it because you’re trying to show off or not show off. Sorry, that’s not a good – I don’t like that – you’re trying to share your personality with with people that like. Because I think that.

00:29:05:24 – 00:29:06:13
Speaker 2
Express yourself.

00:29:06:13 – 00:29:21:04
Speaker 1
Yeah, express yourself. Yeah, it’s like you’re you spend a lot of money, like houses are not cheap. And and if if you have the money and you can afford to express yourself through your house, it’s like it’s kind of cool.

00:29:21:08 – 00:29:25:28
Speaker 2
Totally. Yeah. Yeah, totally. I agree. Turrets?

00:29:25:28 – 00:29:27:08
Speaker 1
Turrets? Turrets.

00:29:27:09 – 00:29:41:15
Speaker 2
We’re just covering these because I think they’re funky and cool. (Yeah.) Not common, though. You don’t see them. I’ve only ever worked on one turret out in Duncan so turrets you’ll see on Gothic or Victorian houses and.

00:29:41:26 – 00:29:43:28
Speaker 1
Is that your favorite type of house design.

00:29:44:02 – 00:30:05:14
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously it comes up quite a bit. I obviously don’t get a chance to work on those houses though, because I guess not a lot of people are designing Gothic or Victorian houses on the island. I’ve worked on one in Duncan, which we call “The Gingerbread House,” but yeah, turrets are – ah, sorry, you go ahead.

00:30:05:29 – 00:30:14:00
Speaker 1
No, I was just going to, like, Rhiannon had – before we started working together – She had sent me some of her like concept drawings.

00:30:14:00 – 00:30:14:25
Speaker 2
That was the one. Yeah.

00:30:14:25 – 00:30:43:19
Speaker 1
So hopefully we can do a podcast on on gothic and dig into that deeper. Like I hope that in the future we can actually start to like go through different types of houses and like dig in deep about like what actually those details are that make it that house instead of having like these like really you see a lot of really hodgepodge put together pieces of houses that don’t make sense.

00:30:44:00 – 00:31:08:01
Speaker 2
It depends, you know, how true you really want it to that. Like if you want a Victorian house you’re not getting an open concept, right? Like you’re, you’re getting like a closed concept. So it really depends on how true you want to go with, with a turn of the century home like again, you’re not getting an open concept with that if you want it to be true to a turn of the century home or something.

00:31:08:01 – 00:31:15:03
Speaker 1
How would you how would you feel about like just expressing that on the exterior and then and then mixing it on the interior?

00:31:15:04 – 00:31:57:00
Speaker 2
That’s the way to do it. Yeah. I mean, obviously if I designed my it’s it’s all a matter of I guess what the client wants, right? Like do you want turn of the century in your interior as well? Because that’s going to be rooms, lots of rooms, lots of, you know, closed off spaces. But no, I mean, obviously, I’m going to advocate advocate for you to have, you know, the the Victorian exterior of your dreams and then your completely functional modern interior that you’ve chosen with an open concept and bathrooms and you know, all of the children’s area within view of the cooking facilities and such.

00:31:57:12 – 00:32:02:14
Speaker 2
Yeah, I definitely advocate for having exactly what you want on the inside.

00:32:02:14 – 00:32:08:14
Speaker 1
So if you were to paint, if you were to paint a picture of like what your like perfect house would be, how would you would you paint that picture?

00:32:08:17 – 00:32:12:29
Speaker 2
Oh, man. That’s a like a loaded question. I have like a thousand houses. Okay.

00:32:13:00 – 00:32:35:29
Speaker 1
You know, if if we if we talk about this gothic house. (Yeah.) So you’ve designed this house that we were talking about. And like, if when we talk about like this, this house, is it, how many stories do you think it would be? Do you think that you would want to make sure that you’re pulling that Gothic from the outside to the inside?

00:32:35:29 – 00:32:48:13
Speaker 1
Or do you think it would be, like satisfactory that you have like a gothic gothic exterior with something that like maybe functioned a little bit more modern, like we were talking about in the interior?

00:32:48:19 – 00:33:17:15
Speaker 2
I think I would do I think I would I would do like 50% of like gothic elements inside. You want to see like the, the huge curvature in like in like the wrought iron. I want dark spaces, I want I want dark stained glass windows that are that had heights are really high above my kitchen sink with with, you know, dark green painted plants falling all over the place, like.

00:33:18:03 – 00:33:47:15
Speaker 2
But then I also want, you know, I want, I want a badass ensuite that’s, you know, I want all the bedrooms to have their own ensuites. Like it would be a fusion of a ton of things. But, um, I’m one of those weird people who, I mean, I don’t like dark spaces, but I guess if it’s designed correctly, I do like a brooding, moody space, if that makes sense.

00:33:47:15 – 00:33:48:09
Speaker 2
I don’t know. I don’t know.

00:33:48:10 – 00:33:49:00
Speaker 1
That does. Yeah.

00:33:49:12 – 00:33:56:01
Speaker 2
Sort of like the Instagram you sent me like that is like, oh, like the the renderings of that that gentleman does.

00:33:56:10 – 00:33:59:18
Speaker 1
Yeah, I can’t think of his name, but we’ll definitely post a little picture of it.

00:34:00:09 – 00:34:06:27
Speaker 2
Gothic to me is like art nouveau, but like dark and it’s like I just. I just love it. So beautiful. Sorry.

00:34:06:29 – 00:34:09:21
Speaker 1
No, no, that’s good. That’s what I wanted. I wanted to go to like.

00:34:09:22 – 00:34:10:15
Speaker 2
Good question.

00:34:10:15 – 00:34:39:18
Speaker 1
Yeah kind of like evoked that out of you, see, like, because it’s it’s interesting because we we always talk about like, what does this house look like? Like what type of house do you want? And like and trying to like get, see, like you do this all the time, right? And when I said that to you, you paused and and you and and so you can it’s understanding that somebody, if they get posed this question, that they they would pause and have to think about it.

00:34:39:18 – 00:35:14:25
Speaker 1
And that’s it’s important to actually take that time out to actually think about it and put in the effort to, like, look at stuff and go through stuff and like, don’t if you’re thinking about building a house before you even engage with this, this builder or design build or however you decide that you want to do it, if you’re going to build your own house, then it’s like spend some time going through and like and get a huge like more pictures, the better because all you’re going to do is you’re going to be able to realize what you what you do like and what you don’t like.

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Speaker 1
And and also that goes back to like how you live in your house and trying to think about like these, these things and elements that you do like and being able to share that with the person. And, you know, how does that tie into the design compared to to how you actually do you live your life like maybe those are kind of clashing and you have to kind of work through that mentally before you’re even going into the project.

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Speaker 2
That’s like like things change sometimes you see what you thought you wanted and you’re like, that’s absolutely not what I wanted. Like when he was asking me that question, all I could think in the back of my head was like, as soon as I draft it out, it’s going to be entirely different. Like it just changes as it goes, right?

00:35:55:07 – 00:36:03:22
Speaker 2
It’s okay that things change and you get to learn what you like and what you don’t like and what’s going to work for you and your family and stuff. So yeah. Yeah.

00:36:03:24 – 00:36:20:21
Speaker 1
Cool. Well, I appreciate everybody coming to watch another episode of Better Building with Buck. You’ll find I saw on YouTube, Facebook and any other podcast channel. Thank you very much, everybody, for coming to watch us and we will see you on the next one.

00:36:20:23 – 00:36:29:18
Speaker 2
Thanks, everybody. Nice. So that’s cool. Got me inspired there at the end.

00:36:30:04 – 00:36:30:17
Speaker 1
Nice.

 

Let’s talk acreage dreams & green living! | “Better Building With Buck” Ep 7: High Performance Homes

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Hello.

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This is “Better
Building With Buck” Episode 7.

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We’ve got Pedro here
with Sunset Homes and

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we’re going to be talking
about acreage properties

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and high performance
and “build green” and

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and yeah, so that’s what
we’ll be chatting about today.

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So Pedro, do you want to talk
a little bit about your business

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and and what how
you got started in construction?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Thanks for having me back.

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So, yeah, I’m
I’m an engineer by trade.

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I went to school for that.

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Halfway
through my engineering degree,

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I moved to architecture
because I thought that I was

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going to be an awesome designer
and so on. But

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it turns out that I’m really,
really bad at design

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because everything I want to do

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is so efficient
and so squared that

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they were like,

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“No, no, no,
just go back to engineering,

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man.”
“Like, you have no notion of

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how space works and
things have to be like rounded

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and all these spatial knowledge
and shapes and forms.”

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And I was like, “Yeah,
I better just go back and

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make things
square and efficient for…”

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that’s
why the engineers do anyways.

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But I ended up coming
back to the construction

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world of residential anyways
because being an engineer

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I was working on project
management in oil and gas

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and halfway through my career

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I was moved to Calgary

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and I had a general contractor
to build my home

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and he went sideward.

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So I just ended up taking it
over to finish the project.

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We moved in

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and a couple of friends
were asking me like, “Hey,

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can you just help out?

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Like I’m having issues
with my contractor.”

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So I took it over,
finished that one,

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and then friends
of a friend started asking

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to the point
that I was, it was quite busy.

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So I have to…

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I have to leave my

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engineering world and just do
this 100% of the time.

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Now we are
we have several employees

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and coworkers
that do this with me.

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And yeah, I just
I do the initial meeting

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with clients.

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I just, you know, just to see,
just gauging

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how it’s going to work out
and so on.

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Because in the end,
if you think about construction,

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it is a long term
relationship, right?

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So you have to have that
that connection with with

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your in this case, clients
or the homeowners

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and vice versa

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like the homeowner needs
to feel comfortable with you

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as the builder in the sense
that you’re going to pass

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the information
that is required like, you know,

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any anything that might go
sideways.

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They…

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they know about it.

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And of course,
like cost and scheduling

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and all the selections
that needs to be done.

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So thinking about that
because is about a year, year

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and a half between design,
permitting and construction

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and then 10, 15
years of warranty.

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So again, is a pretty long term
relationship.

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So you better

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have a good connection
there from the beginning.

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Yeah, that it’s interesting
that you say that

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because it’s, it’s
so important and, and like

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I think that

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people get kind of tied up
in this idea that they’re like

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they’re not that that first bid
is really like a dating process

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and trying to like understand
who each other are.

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And, and, you know,
most builders are going to be…

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At least
their price point should be

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if they’re

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it should be pretty competitive
like, you know, between one

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another and it and in the end,
it’s like, do you actually like

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get along with this person?

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Do you see this person
like coming over for dinner

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or at least being able to go to
that maybe the pub and have a

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have a beer with them afterwards
or or if you bumped into them

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at the the,

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I don’t know, coffee shop
would you have a chat with them

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just because they’ve sparked up
a conversation with you.

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Yeah. No. And

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as you mentioned, like for real.

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I do that.

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Like, I visit my homeowners

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when while

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the construction is ongoing

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so I visit them whatever
they’re leaving at this point

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and you just casually coffee or

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we just go out for coffee
or supper or lunch or anything.

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I just try to make it more like

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like an actual relationship,
not just transactional, meaning,

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“Hey, I’m
going to build this for you,

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just give me the money
and thanks

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very much…” You just

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I think again,
it’s a long term relationship

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and you have to have

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that in the back of your mind
because there might be issues

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during the construction
or warranty calls,

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and you don’t want to just say,
“Hey, no,

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this is not a warranty,
figure it out.” You just, “Hey,

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let me go there

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and we do this together.”
Like even if it’s not covered

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under warranty,
I help you out on it.

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Just make it, you know?

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No pain at all. Just

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warranty calls are a tricky one
because

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the majority of them,
it just means that

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the homeowners needs to do it.

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And but there is a lot
of knowledge which we try to

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to educate our clients
or homeowners

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through in this process,

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during the construction process
and then afterwards, as well.

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During the the final walkthrough
we just explain to them, “Hey,

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these are the items
that you need to be mindful of”

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in terms of meanings

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and so on, like external
or exterior caulking,

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which again we’ll talk about it
for like all the environments

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that we live in here in Calgary
anyways and surrounding areas.

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So while you have to be mindful
of replacing the caulking once

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in a while and yes, it’s part
of your maintenance, Homeowner.

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But just…

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the thing with

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the final walkthrough
is that it’s too overwhelming.

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You are explaining
to this homeowner…

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because you have been working

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on this property
for several months

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and you know, you know,
the whole house in and out…

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and you’re explaining to them,
“Hey, remember this door,

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you have to lock it this way,
or this is how you replace the

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HVAC filter,
this is how you turn on the

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switches and so on…” and
and they’re like, yes, yes, yes.

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But in a week or two,
they’re like, “Uhhh…

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where’s this hose built, again?

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Like, how do I turn on…?”
It’s like, “Okay…”

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So yeah,

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it is a lot of information,
but throughout the the whole

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post construction

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process, when they

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are living in the house, we have
we have this online

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project management system

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where
they can still have access to it

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and they can ask questions
through it.

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So it’s not like you need to…

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they don’t they don’t have to
call the office or me

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or the PM directly.

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They can access to it and
we can give you more information

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that is just detailing
you have a record of it.

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Yeah. No, fair enough.

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And we were gonna talk
a little bit

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about acreage properties and

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and how how those are something
that you’re getting excited

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about, as well.

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It’s kind of

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it seems like maybe the business
that’s getting driven

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to you is is from acreages
and what those kind of houses

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look like.

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And and what kind of triggers
your your mind when you’re

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going through that process
with engaging with that client.

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Yeah.

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So different
designs, different areas of

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let’s say that it
is outside of the city mostly.

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We have rocky view
from west up like north and east

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and then Foothills County
on the south of Calgary.

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We do construction

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in Chestermere, as well,
which is just a small city

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east of Calgary.

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But mostly the acreages
that we are seeing right now

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are in, in between rocky view
and foothills

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and the construct ability
and the design are a little bit

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different that that building
a similar home in the city

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especially
because the wind loads

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something that happens
a lot here and I know

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so you’re in B.C.

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you have the Rocky Mountains,
so you have wind from the sea

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gets compressed when it goes
to the top of the mountains

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and then the speed
increases again.

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It just
physics and how things work.

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So and especially

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when the speed increases
and having no trees or

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or because you are is pretty
flat after the Rocky Mountains,

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you have some sort of hills,

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but not many trees
is kind of a pity

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and you have high wind loads

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and that construction details
that we’re doing lately

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has changed
because being building certified

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we want to make sure that
the house is really air tight.

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So we are using a lot of foam

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sealant or different
caulking for the exterior

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just to make sure that

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whenever we have a -30, -40
on the on the outside

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and these high winds are hitting
the side of the house,

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you don’t have frost forming
under,

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a door or a window, for example,
because very,

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very small amount of air
is leaking through it.

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Right. Cool.

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Yeah.

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It’s interesting
to think about all the details

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that are
that are more important to you

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than they are to us out here.

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Like we deal with so much rain
and and and trying to, you know,

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detail things around rain
where you’re kind of worried

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about this cold

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infiltration of air and and
and how those details kind of

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would probably change
and and kind of what

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the form of this structure
is going to look like

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to try and mitigate
some of these.

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Often out here, we got large…

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we’re trying
to get larger overhangs

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and trying to like shed that
water way as quick as we can.

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And out there, it sounds like
you guys are trying to like it’s

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you’re obviously colder,
so you’re trying

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a little bit more insulation
and then also thinking about air

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infiltration
around doors and windows

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and how that’s going to…

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could frost up and
and stuff like that.

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Yeah. So it helps.

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We do mainly
two types of construction.

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So most of our foundations
are ICF

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and then we can either continue
on the main and second floor

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with ICF or just do
the regular lumber construction.

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But still on the exterior,
you do a pretty good seal

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around the windows.

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Like our framing detail
for sealing the windows on doors

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is is pretty heavy

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because again
I don’t want warranty calls.

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I like to see you as a client,
for sure, but not for a warranty

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call, just so I can go

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and have a coffee with you
or chat about a new project. But

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yeah, I really don’t like
having warranty calls.

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So we pretty much over design
and over build many of the

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the exterior

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just because that is what the
warranty – the longest warranty

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that we have here in Alberta
anyway.

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So yeah
there’s a lot of peel and stick

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and we have primaries
and roll-ons and so on, whereas

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I think in your case
you can just do a peel and stick

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and just roll that on
without a primer but

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temperature is different, right?

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Yeah.

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It’s it’s interesting
to think about that, too,

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like go
just how much, you know, like

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the climates or provinces
and where we’re close,

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but how much different
the whole condition is.

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And, and even within,
you know, our province

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or your province, there’s
going to be microclimates

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where, you know, you’re
you’re yet again having to like

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think about little extra details
because of, you know, you’re

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talking about the wind load

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and how if you’re
not in the city

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compared to being in the city.

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And yeah, it’s just it’s
it’s super, super interesting

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and fun to kind of learn
what what is at top of mind

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when one person’s building
a house to the next person and

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and I guess
with that being said it it

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it’s it’s good to understand too
that the builder

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that you have too has experience
in that those neighborhoods

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or at least in that area

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compared to somebody
that just came to town.

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Not that it’s like terrible
that somebody hasn’t,

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you know,

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they just came to town

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and they’re starting
a new business.

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That doesn’t mean that they

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they don’t know
what they’re doing.

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But when you’ve gone through,

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you know, different things
with the municipalities and

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and trying to work your way
through all these

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particular nuance details
and stuff like that,

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it’s yeah, it’s kind of cool.

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You have

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to build those relationships and
that even though we have been

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building acreages
for quite a few years now,

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it is part of it.

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It just having that
specific contact or a

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where is my development
permit at

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and have the right person
to call.

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They’re pretty good at

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when you call
the general numbers as well,

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they’re pretty good
at giving you information.

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But it’s
more like that personal touch

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have that

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that extra
rapport with that specific guy

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at the municipality
and or at a county

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and just have that conversation,

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say how things are coming along

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like do need any extra paperwork
and so on and just keep it on

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top of those.

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Especially for for the counties

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at the city of Calgary
is is more streamlined.

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Their systems are a little bit
more at a stand, I will say.

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And you apply and it’s
pretty straightforward.

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You also get the contact

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of who you’re dealing with,
who is your planner. And

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I would say they’re a little bit
more easy to to deal with.

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Maybe there are more people
as well. Right.

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That they can answer.

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And when you’re

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when you’re usually
waiting for a permit,

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what are your kind of
wait times on permits.

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Depends.

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So on the city, I would say for
a building permit you will be

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well you
get the partial look right away.

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So in about two weeks

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you can start prepping
the foundation and so on.

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For a development permit
anywhere from 6 to 10 weeks.

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(Okay.) In the city.

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So it’s not too too bad.

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Yeah.

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The the county’s
a little bit longer

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more regulations
and they actually sometimes

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they have to go to the site
and check,

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you know, and you have different
zoning for

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different type of parcels
and land because you’re dealing

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with acreages.

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So if you have already
a well established development

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that’s half an acre or one
or two and a half or three,

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that’s different.

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But sometimes you have farmland

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and you had to make sure that
you, you go, you follow that.

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The process

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that they have in terms of

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what can you build and what is
an auxiliary building, you know,

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sometimes you have a family
to live in the farmland

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and they have these
this main residency

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and they have been there
for years.

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But now the kids want to live
in the same land

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and you’re allowed to build
a building

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up to this many square feet.

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So those kind of items you have
to be mindful of as well.

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(Right.) But again,
new development for acreages

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is pretty straightforward

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and they do have architectural
guidelines and are pretty much

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we rely on

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them to tell
us this is how much we can build

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and because in that case,

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now it’s going to be a minimum,
right.

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Some developments

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they would not allow you
to build anything less than 1600

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square feet
bungalow for example.

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(Oh interesting.)
So you have to be sure.

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Yeah because if you’re thinking
two and a half, three acres.

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(Yeah.)

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Just you better build something
big because otherwise it’s

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gonna be too too too small.
Right, right. Fair enough.

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So when you’re saying that
a development and there’s…

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and so is…

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there’s going to be multiple
projects in this development?

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Like, so there’ll be like 12
five acre parcels.

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Is that what you mean
when you say that?

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(Correct.)
Or you mean developing – okay.

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Yeah,
that might be the case. And

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so, for example,

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we are building right now in
in foothills.

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(Okay.) And

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this land owner
or this farm owner at some point

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like 10, 15 years ago
decided to develop his land.

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And so he has to go
through a different process,

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which is rezoning
and then servicing the property.

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So you have to build roads,

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gas, for example,
and then a well,

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a water well,
but then now we go in,

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we have to tie in the water
well to the home.

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We have to do a septic tank
or field

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depending on the results
of the investigation

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from from the septic company
and then tie in the gas.

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Or if you want to be a “net
zero” or “net zero ready,”

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then I would like to have
the gas there as an option.

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You don’t have to be connected
to the electrical grid,

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but at least have the gas
as a backup.

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You can run everything
through the electrical systems,

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but just have the gas there
just in case my like

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you never know.

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(Yeah.)

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Especially with all these
for one fifties being built

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so that’s all going to
be electrical. Our electrical

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grid is going to

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get like a huge hit
by 10 years from now.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It’s interesting
to think about like

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how how we’re going to sustain
all of the

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the electrical grid that we have
and how that’s

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going to work out –

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whether we’re going to be start

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relying more on batteries
or what that’s really going

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to look like or, you know, it
even just the electric car

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as your battery backup kind of –
have you seen much of that?

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(Yeah.
Yeah.) So that’s I don’t know.

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I think maybe that might be,
you know, you plug in your car

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and it’s servicing your house…

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Goes all the way back.

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…through the nighttime, but…

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(Yeah.)

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Yeah, It’ll be interesting
to see how we solve this problem

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of, of energy and, and, and,
and I think it also has a big…

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you have to think about it, too,
about

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what kind of energy is available
in your area, right? Like

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one way to fix it in one place
may not be the right way

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in another place.

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And and, you know,
like if you’re running off coal,

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a power plant, well,
maybe it depends on

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where where you should be
pulling your energy from.

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Yeah, too much.
Too much politics.

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Let’s talk about something else
(laughs).

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Yeah, fair enough.

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So what…

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What’s…

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Where are you…

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When we talked
about the high performance home,

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what are the things
that you would be trying to push

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towards for…

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What would be like the
I have to do and what would be

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the kind of option stuff on on
a product that you’re making.

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(Yeah.)
So the thing with us at Sunset,

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we are “Built Green” certified
and our homes are in theory

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and they are

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through the design phase
and through the energy modeling.

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You will notice
that they are more efficient,

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that a regular home
of the same size

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or square footage and design.

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So from the get go
we are a little bit

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more expensive
than your general contractor.

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But with that in mind

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we have to

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we have to run our energy model,
which is going to tell you

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how many giga joules
or kilowatts,

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how much energy in total
your house is going to consume.

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And then we can adjust
the type of insulation.

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So I know code is R 22,
but we don’t do R 22,

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we do 24 and 26 and
and north of that

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still and a two
by six wall cavity.

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So R 24 is is good.

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It’s going to work.

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You don’t need to to keep
increasing that wall cavity.

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But then we have different
kind of windows.

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So dual pane or triple pane –
is this sun heating?

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Where is it heating?

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When is the sun
heating that facade?

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Can you gain heat
throughout a winter using

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a specific kind of window?

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So all of those details
are going to be run

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through the energy model

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as well as which kind of HRV
are we using?

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The efficiency of the HRV,
because the basic attributes

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are really bad for efficiency,
anyways.

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You have this heat transfer
going on between the air

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leaving the house
and the air coming in.

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But if you’re only getting
like a couple percentage points,

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why do you even have it?

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Just because the code requires
you to have an HRV.

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But we should just be mindful
and using an HRV

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that will cost you a couple
hundred dollars more,

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but it’s more efficient
than whatever

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you can get off the shelf
from your supplier.

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(Right.)
So those kind of outings

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is what we’re looking for.
So does the on demand

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water heater
make sense for the project?

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Or the regular whole water tanks
– depending:

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are you using it for heating

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because the system
can be designed for either or.

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So we look very deeply in

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into that item
during the design stages,

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especially while
running the energy model again.

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You guys do much for exterior
installation out there? Yes.

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So we have done a few projects
where we mostly

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when we do a major renovation…

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So we call major reno…

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Let’s say
we have an old bungalow.

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This the family lives there
and they just want to bring

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the bungalow up to code.

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And we
did one a couple months ago

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we finished where we have
interior insulation.

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We, we kept the two
by four structure.

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But again, in a two by four,

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if you want to reach over, like,
or at least 30

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– R 30 value, you need to add
extra insulation.

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And we ended up doing it
commercial type insulation

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that is actually is used a lot
in the commercial buildings

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here in Calgary and in B.C.

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is rock sole.

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(Yeah.) It’s from that
from Rockwool company and

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you just hang the exterior
material from, from the outside.

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So we have the full two by four
cavity and then on the exterior

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we have that rock
sole insulation as well.

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And then the exterior exterior
material in this case

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was some
sort of concrete siding.

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But yeah, we have done those…

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it’s different
in terms of the design

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because you want that
to bleed to the outside, right?

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So you have to be careful
on like poly

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insulation sheeting.

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So paper, so sheeting paper

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and then the exterior
installation

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and then a breathable
material again on the outside,

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which is pretty much how I
believe you guys build in B.C..

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(Yeah.) So I might, I might

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probably skip the final,

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like, Tyvek or whatever
(Paper.) that product is.

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(Yeah.) Yeah.

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But yeah, I’ve done like XPS
foam on the outside

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with like a SIGA house wrap,
which is kind of it’s

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just like a same kind of idea
as the

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the Tyvek,
just a different brand.

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Yeah. And

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we did that on I think it was

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16 or 1800

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square foot house and heating
and cooling bills for the month.

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Our best month was $14.

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And I just went there
the other day

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and it was 21 bucks for heating
cooling.

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Yeah, nice.

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So yeah, so it was –
and we don’t have the same like,

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you know, obviously
the same amount of temperature

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out there, but,

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you know, a regular bill
for somebody

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for heating and cooling
could be somewhere around

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like 100 to $100 about a month
or something like that.

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So so you’re about like 10%.

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That’s pretty good. Yeah.

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So it’s I was
pretty stoked like it was

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that was the first project
we did.

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We got to Step 4.

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So it’s a little bit different
than the national code, I think,

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because like we have a step –
do you guys have step code

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out there?

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No. Okay.

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So step code is kind of like so
Step 3 was

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I think 30% better than this
like a standard house.

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Yeah.

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Then and
then it was like 60% for

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Step 4 and then net zero

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or Step 5 is like 80 or or above
better than the…

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(Yeah okay – good.) Yeah.

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So, and that was with that
exterior insulation

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and stuff like that.

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It, it was fun
to like kind of work

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through the process of all these
like assembly details

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and trying to figure out how

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you know,
were you going to do a window

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buck around the window

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to like pull the window out
or were you wanting

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to put the window
halfway through or

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and then all the water
management details around there.

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Yeah.

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So that actually kind of
reinvigorated my like my spirit

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for construction thinking,
you know, not having to do this

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very standard
assembly over and over again

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and going like, Oh, okay,
how are we going to get here?

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Oh, I got to think about this
and how this little piece

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and this little piece
and you know, I don’t know.

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I thought it was kind of fun.

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Yeah.

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For this particular project
that I was mentioning,

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both the client,
so the husband and wife,

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they were both engineers,
as well.

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(Okay.)

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Like going through the whole
explaining them, the whole,

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the whole process
and how are we going to do

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the testing and so on.

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And yeah,

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there were like

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questions back and forth
which sometimes we just explain

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to some homeowners
and they say, “Cool.”

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And they were like questions
and questions and well,

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okay, let’s just build this,
this – same as you – like just

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just build it up.

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Build the whole wall.

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Do an example for you

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and then we’re going
to explain to you how we’re

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going to put it all together.

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And yeah, we got the green light
from them.

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We were like, “Wow, cool,

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this is going to work out,
right?” So

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yeah, it’s nice to have
all the trades involved as well.

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And again it’s
a new assembly for us as well.

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Like you have all the details
and from the vendor,

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from the engineer,
from the envelope engineer.

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And once we get it done
and everybody’s like, yeah,

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it’s going to work out.
And yeah, the house is there.

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So it’s working. (*laughs*
Yeah!) For sure.

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As it should.

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So how did you
how did your guys in the field?

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I haven’t actually done
the rock sol insulation.

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How did they feel about having
to like straighten out

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all the, like,

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rain screen and stuff like that
to get the cladding on?

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Was that a bit of a struggle
or did they…?

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(No.) Like I think it’s our – so

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this specific trade that we use,

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we have been using it
for like ten years

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and they’re pretty well versed
in the commercial side as well.

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Okay.

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So it wasn’t like nothing
new for for them anyway.

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It was new for us, let’s say.

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But not for this
specific company.

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So we were lucky that we have
pretty good trades that

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we work with
and they are knowledgeable

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and they’re pretty easygoing.

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So we can share information like

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like without any,
any issues, right.

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They will not be like, “Oh no,

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I cannot tell you
this is a trade secrets.” No.

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They’re pretty open.

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Yeah, fair enough.

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And and so when you talk about
this particular trade, was

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were they a envelope slash
like siding company

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or was this the framing company
that was dealing with this…?

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(No.) Yeah the siding company.

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So (Okay.) the exterior

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in this case,
we call it exterior company.

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Well, did the the whole exterior
detail.

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Okay, cool.

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Our framers will stop at window
install detail.

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(Okay.)
And you get the exterior company

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taking the rest of the scope.

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Right. Cool.

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Yeah, that’s interesting.

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Yeah, I, I’ve

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we self perform some of our work

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and I the, the building
envelope portion of it.

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I feel like
it’s like very important

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to try and all those details
and the lapping

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of all your materials
and trying to get it airtight.

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It, it’s

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not a lot of the exterior

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side and companies out here are

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are I feel at least going down
that route.

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Now if I was hiring a commercial

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siding company,
they would probably be more

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versatile like what
what you have going on.

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But when you’re dealing
with more residential companies,

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I found that, you know,
some of them it’s not

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they just haven’t done
courses and stuff like that,

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which is fine. Obviously,
everybody’s busy, right?

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So it’s it’s
hard to be able to get away

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and, and, and get in all this
knowledge if,

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if you’re trying to get
some siding up and start

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making some money instead
of trying to learn stuff.

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Yeah, I think that’s part of it,
right?

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The industry just residential
is like quote unquote easier.

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So they’re just like, yeah,
we can just get it done.

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They can work with somebody
and gain some knowledge

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and yeah, for sure

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they will
start their own company.

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So but I have to be careful

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because it’s
always about warranty.

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I’m always concerned
about warranty

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and (Yeah that’s fair.) it’s
not just it’s

00:29:14:11 – 00:29:17:16
not just looks good
but is going to last?

00:29:17:16 – 00:29:20:05
So we check our trades like

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we have like three major steps
that we check our trades

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on like,
you know, want to make sure

00:29:24:12 – 00:29:26:09
that it looks nice,
the quality is there.

00:29:26:09 – 00:29:27:02
But we also

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we also are

00:29:27:16 – 00:29:29:20
able to check
with the home warranty

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just to see
if they have warranty calls.

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And that has helped us
in in many cases

00:29:35:08 – 00:29:38:09
because you always get
like inquiries from new vendors

00:29:38:10 – 00:29:42:00
or a contractor saying, hey,
can we work together and so on.

00:29:42:00 – 00:29:44:16
And they
the presentation is great and

00:29:45:09 – 00:29:49:11
they’re happy and payment
terms are really good for us.

00:29:49:11 – 00:29:52:21
But then you check the quality
and they say uh-uh

00:29:52:21 – 00:29:55:11
and the warranty side is like,
no, it’s okay.

00:29:55:11 – 00:29:56:16
We’re just going to pass.

00:29:56:16 – 00:29:58:19
Yeah, no, fair enough. (There’s
gonna be…) issues later on.

00:29:59:04 – 00:29:59:13
Yeah.

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Yeah,
I was I’ve been real excited,

00:30:02:23 – 00:30:05:07
I’ve been stoked to be able
to chat with you and and

00:30:06:08 – 00:30:10:01
it, it’s been super awesome
to kind of understand

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how other builders

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are approaching their project
and what’s top of mind.

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And, and I really, really hope
that we can do this again

00:30:18:09 – 00:30:20:16
because that was that was great.
And I.

00:30:20:16 – 00:30:22:08
I appreciate you coming on.

00:30:22:08 – 00:30:23:07
Yeah, let’s do that.

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Yeah. Yeah, that was great, man.

00:30:25:02 – 00:30:28:09
So yeah, this is “Better
Building With Buck.” Episode 7.

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And thank you everybody
for coming and watching it.

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Okay, bye for now.

Let’s talk egos & being an apprentice in Carpentry | “Better Building With Buck” Ep 8: Meet the Boys

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Hello.

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This is “Better
Building With Buck” Episode 8.

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I have Marshall and Dawson here
today.

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We are going to talk

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a little bit about carpentry

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and why they decided to
become carpenters and what that

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hopefully will do for them

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in the future and skills
they’ll gain along the way.

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Today we got Marshall here
and (Howdy!) hey,

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what made you decide
to become a carpenter?

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And what?

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And like,

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what drove you down that road

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when you first

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kind of like,

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went out and thought, hey, maybe

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maybe
this might be the right fit?

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Well, you know, I.

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I definitely couldn’t
do the office job.

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I, I don’t ever see myself
in a building like that.

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Yeah, I’d rather be building it.

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And as soon as I got

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the hammer in my hands,
and the concrete on my feet,

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I was sold.

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And I had a boss at the time

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on the Sunshine Coast that was
pretty reasonable with me.

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You know, he was accommodating
to what my learning style was.

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And that made a world
of difference, right?

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That makes a lot of sense. Yeah.

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Because like, I know for myself,
when I was growing up,

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it was hard to figure out
where you fit in in this school

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system or or how, you know,

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the sitting

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you know, go to school
and sit for 6 hours.

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It’s like, no,
that doesn’t really work for me.

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No, nope. Doesn’t sit
well with me either.

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Yeah.

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So it’s nice to find out

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that the world has a place
for different types of people.

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Right?

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You know,

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you’re not all supposed
to go into particular

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molds and it’s
nice that, you know,

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that we were lucky enough
to find something that,

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you know, feels feels right
when you get up in the morning

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and… You feel good
about going to do it.

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Yeah. Yeah. Feel accomplished
at the end of the day, too.

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Yeah. You talk to like

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the endorphins you said
and how it is

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when you think about that, what,
what makes that like

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an exciting part for you? Like

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– does that
makes sense when I say that?

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Yep. (Yeah.)
I think it if I find myself

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sitting around for too long

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and pushing a pencil or clicking
keys (Yeah)

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then I just start
to get squirrely in my head

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and I got to go around the block
a few times.

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(Right?) So having a job
where I can go in

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and work my butt off
and swing the hammer all day

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and learn new stuff,
it’s it’s been hugely beneficial

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to my lifestyle

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and it’s just a small change
that had to happen.

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And the endorphins

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that I get out of it
are unlike any else.

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Right? That’s awesome.

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I remember
we had talked a little bit about

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when we did a stair project
before and how you felt that

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that was fulfilling.

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Could you share with
me a little bit about like

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why that
was an enjoyment for you

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and yeah, how that skillset was?

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Yeah.

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Good for your I guess, Bobbie.

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I think I.

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Think the stairs for me
or a little bit challenging

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because it’s a lot of math
and I’m a little dyslexic.

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So the math don’t
always agree with me.

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So when I have an opportunity

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to do something like a stair set
where there’s angles involved

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and any of the challenging stuff
that’s like,

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you know,
I’d rather stay away from

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I’ve changed my mind about it.

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And it’s more exciting for me
because when I accomplish that,

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it’s, I have slain the dragon.

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(Right!) It’s, it’s good to go.
I feel better about it.

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Yeah. And I’ll be, I’ll be
better with it next time.

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Yeah. That’s awesome.

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Yeah, it’s, it’s

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it’s interesting that you say
that because, you know, when,

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when you

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get these, these tasks
and you can start to kind of

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build on them instead of it
being like it’s really like,

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you know,
stairs can be complicated,

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but if you break them

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down into smaller pieces,
you feel so much.

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It feels so much easier. Yeah.

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More manageable for sure.
Yeah. Yeah.

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And then as soon as you’ve got
all these little things down,

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they just come all together
into one project.

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Yeah.

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And you’re in the same, same
realm with all of it,

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but it comes together
and it’s a house. Yeah.

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And that, that to me is so cool.

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Yeah. That’s awesome.

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When we first started
getting together,

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you talked a little bit
about how like how

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you kind of perceive
the construction world

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and how nice it was to see that

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that it was a little bit
different.

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You want a little bit
about that? Yeah.

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So when I started,
I was working on the Sunshine

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Coast, like I said. (Yeah.) And

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I had some preconceived notions
about the

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the egomaniac side
of construction and

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you know, nobody’s

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willing to work with your brain
and how you learn.

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So I was pretty intimidated
by that.

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And then you get into
the construction

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commercial scene
and that’s even worse.

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So I was it was quite daunting.

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But as soon as I had an employer

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like my previous one
and then Jordy here is amazing.

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I just, I turn,
I changed my mind about it

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because I had a boss
that was finally willing to

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work with me on it
and take the time

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to teach me the stuff
instead of just expect me

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to do it, screw up
and then yell at me.

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(Right.) So it is definitely
a big relief.

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And who was the guy
that you worked

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for on the Sunshine
Coast? Oliver Daly. Okay.

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Do you remember
the name of his company?

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Yeah. Daly Contracting. Cool!

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Yeah.

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So we can tag him in this
and let him know that that

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we talked a little bit about him
today. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

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And when,

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when you
think about the idea of like,

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becoming a carpenter,
like long term, what

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what kind of get you excited
about that?

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And like, what kind of skills

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are you looking forward to
in the near or far future.

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Well, I think I’ve already got
some of those skills

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and I’m already seeing a return
in my my friendships

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and in my just
general relationships in life,

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because I can go and help
somebody hang something up or

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or cut
something properly or mount

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something to the side
of their house, whatever it is.

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I can kind of tackle it now

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and I feel much more confident
about that side of life.

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So I’m pretty pumped that
I get to share my skills with

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basically everybody I know
because everybody needs a house.

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Right.

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Cool.
Yeah, that’s really awesome.

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Thank you for sharing.

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Right on.

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Well, yeah, we will continue on
and bring Dawson on.

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We will chat
a little bit with Dawson

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and then we’ll get these guys
together and see what

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we can talk about.

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Sounds good.

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*Laughing* (Oh,

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come on!) Shit.

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Shit. Okay. I told you: you
can’t think about the questions.

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I know. Okay. Okay, I’m.

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Yeah, I’ll just be honest.

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So we’re also here today
with Dawson

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and we’re going to chat
a little bit about

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how you decided that you wanted
to get into carpentry and

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and you did
your pre app course or what.

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Yeah, I did my first year. Yeah.

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So what made you decide to go
take that?

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I think it was
when I started to do

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little wood projects
for, for Mya, my girlfriend.

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(Right.) And then.

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That was with Max.

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That was with. Yeah, my uncle,
who’s a friend of yours.

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I didn’t really I knew nothing.

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And then I went to

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his house, started
doing little wood projects.

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And then you came by

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and you asked me
if I like working with wood

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and and I said, yeah,
I mean, you know,

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I don’t know much about it,
but let’s give it a shot.

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And then I kind of mulled
that over and thought about it.

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And then I just decided that,

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you know what, I think it’s time
I got out of high school.

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I said, might as well try it.

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So I took my first year,
did pretty good,

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and then I started working for
you. Yeah. Sweet. Yeah, it

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was interesting.

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Dawson came, worked with me
for probably

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about 6 – 4 to 6 months?

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I think it was about
4 to 6 months.

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Yeah, something around there.

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We were building my mom’s place
on Roberta Road

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and it was interesting
because I was challenging Dawson

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every day and he,

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he, he, you could
sometimes get frustrated.

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And, and it was interesting
how like when

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we talked about like, well,

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maybe you got to try
a bunch of things

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and figure out what you
what you do

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and don’t want to do, right?

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Yeah, exactly.

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(And sorry.) No, no.

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And just add to that.

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Yeah, I, it was, it was
overwhelming, I would say,

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but I don’t think it was a
it wasn’t a bad thing.

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I think it was because,
you know, I was pretty young.

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I think I was 17 or something
like that.

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Yeah, 18 maybe. And,

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and yeah, I didn’t really know.

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I didn’t really have much life
experience.

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So then I kind of get thrown
into this world

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that I’m not familiar with,
but I kind of,

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I kind of welcomed it once
I, once I left

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and I tried other professions.

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I tried to do other jobs.

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You know. I was stoked that
that’s what you said.

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Yeah. Like you said, too.
And that was.

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Yeah.

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And I, you know,
thank you for that, too,

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because that gave me, you know,
I didn’t feel guilty leaving.

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It was kind of a, you know,
I respect that.

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We’ll we’ll see you
when you’re ready.

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(Yeah.) And then and then yeah.

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I tried, you know, a
few professions didn’t work out.

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And then I decided that, you
know, I’ll give it a shot again.

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You know, let’s come back.

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It was interesting.

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We were we were at SLEGG.

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And and so he says to me,
he says, “you know, I just

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I just want a challenge.”
And I said, “okay,

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just remember that
that’s what you said…” Yeah.

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*laughs* “…didn’t want

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when when you left.”
You said you put too much…

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Yeah. This is your.
There’s too much.

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What do you say?

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I can’t remember exact words
but pretty well that you there’s

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you’re taking on a lot right now
and it felt overwhelming

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and then then you came back
because you wanted a challenge.

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So (Yeah.)
I’m happy that you kind of like

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you were able to do this
full circle where you realized

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for yourself that like
just doing a menial task

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for work was not something
that brought enough value

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to your life. No.
And I think to with.

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Not to say that
like working at SLEGG is menial,

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but I’m just saying for you,

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you wanted something
that was like

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I guess maybe you could say
more about that…

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Well, I just think it was pretty
monotonous.

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(Right.) I in a way, I kind of
felt like I hit a ceiling.

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(Okay.) You know,
I was only there,

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I think it was just over a year
and a half there.

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And I was

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I was pretty keen like I wasn’t
sorry content’s the wrong word,

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but I was pretty fed up
with doing the same thing day

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in, day out, punch and punch
out, pretty monotonous.

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And my life was the same
every single day.

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And then I wanted,

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you know, and then, you know,
we’re going to be building my

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one of my family members’ house.

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So I said,

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yeah, this is
this feels right to come back

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and do this (Right.)
And I feel like,

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yeah, I’m just stoked to be back
and yeah.

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And to
learn more and good. Yeah.

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When you
did your pre app course,

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what were the things

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that you felt were valuable
and not as valuable

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or same kind of question like

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what did you think you were
going to get out of the program

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that maybe you did
or you didn’t?

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Honestly,
I think that for the most part,

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it was pretty beneficial.

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I think that,

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you know,
I think I can’t remember

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how long the course was,
but you build a house

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and (I
think it was 4 to 6 months,

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you were saying?) I think
it was, yeah. Around that time.

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And yeah, I, you know,
I learned a lot too.

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I just learned how, you know,

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but there’s some things
that you don’t need to know.

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You know,
they go, here’s a hammer, here’s

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steel nose pliers.

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And it’s, you know,

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I feel like anybody
with half a brain

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can figure out what a hammer is.

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But that side, it was sort of,
you know,

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okay, I kind of know,
like I’m taking this

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because I want to do this
profession.

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I feel like
I have some knowledge of it

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and just what I want to do
and but I think all

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everything else too
it was pretty open.

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My instructor was amazing.

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He was he was a great guy.

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And who was that?
That was Joe Blaine.

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Yeah.

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So he was he was teaching
first year at the time.

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Yeah, he was great.

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And he, you know, even
so like when we were doing,

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you know, the program, it was,
it was Monday to Thursday

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and then we had Friday,
Saturday, Sunday off

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and a couple of buddies
that I made friends with there.

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We just asked him
if we could do a wood project

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and he goes, Yeah, go nuts,
come on into the shop.

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And we can,
you know, see what you can do.

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Like, okay,
so we all built guitars

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from scratch, everything done.

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So it was all our woods.

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That was I, in a way.

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I think it was more
hands on with the tools.

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We did a couple little small,
you know, project

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stuff like that.
Did your toolbox.

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You built a saw horse
stuff like that.

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But I think. How many legs
do you need for a saw horse?

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4, I think. *Laughs*

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I’ll,
I’ll get back to you on that.

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Yeah.

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But I think that, you know when,
when you had

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I guess students
not to toot my own horn

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but that were kind of passionate
about it

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and to allow to have the freedom
to go on your own time,

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figure out the tools,
figure out math, everything.

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I think that was super
beneficial too,

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on top of building the house.

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Yeah.

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(Cool.) Yeah.

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I think that that’s probably a
pretty good introduction about,

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you know, where you started
and where you’re going and yeah.

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Do you have any more
that you want to share?

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I’m just.

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Just ready to get going.

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Yeah, I’m excited.

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So. Well, yeah, we’ll bring

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Marshall and Dawson back in here
and we’ll chat

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a little bit more.

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So we got Dawson Marshall here
and I just want

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to start this off with saying
thank you guys.

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The reason why I want to say
that is because

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without you guys shit wouldn’t
get built in this world.

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And I think that the apprentices

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are always forgotten about
and and, you know, it’s

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sometimes it’s the owner
or the builder or the whoever.

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But if these guys weren’t in

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the trenches doing their thing,
then none of this would happen.

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Yeah, sometimes
they’re a little bit of guidance

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needs to be
had to get from here to there.

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But, you know, it’s like it’s
so rewarding for me

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to see you guys,
like, build on these skills.

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Like, that’s probably my most,

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the thing that I

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enjoy the most about, about

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my job is like

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being able to share
with you guys something

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and then coming back and like,
“Oh.”

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For me, it’s good because I was
able to explain it well enough.

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That it made it across.

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And then secondly that,

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you know, there was, there
used to be like a stick there

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two by four or whatever

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that type of material

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is that day
and then now it’s cut, shaved,

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put into place, installed,
you know, whether that’s

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a finished material
or rough material,

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it’s still it’s like it’s

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pretty rewarding

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to see that, that, you know,
you guys are like

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developing those skills
and and so yeah, I, I just want,

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like, you guys at home, too,
to think about that is that

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without these
apprentices doing their work,

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this stuff wouldn’t get done.

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So we look forward
to seeing more people get into

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into the trades.

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Men or women.

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Yeah, it’s going to be it’s
going to be good.

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And and, you know, we talked a
little bit about robots before.

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It’s like,
yeah, you know, or A.I.

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and, you know,

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these types of jobs
are not going to be able

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to be replaced
in the near future

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with without, you know,
without a lot more work.

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Well, don’t forget, we need good
teachers like you, too. So.

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Yeah.

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Anybody that’s

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got a construction company
out there, be nice to you guys.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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So maybe let’s talk.

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A couple of weeks ago,
we had a little like group

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chat over here
and we were talking about how,

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you know,

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trying to set

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some goals for each other
and try to understand, like,

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what’s important
and and I it was

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it was so nice,
just like for me,

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I went into that

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and I felt really nervous
about having that discussion

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with you guys.

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And it was so nice to see that

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when we had that discussion
that it was

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such a group effort
and we were working towards

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the same goal together
and like I,

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I want to thank you guys
for that too. But

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when we’re trying
to build something out,

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what are the things that are
like important to you to

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to be able to understand

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how you’re going
to get from point A to point B?

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And maybe I’ll start with you
first, Marshall.

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So when I say that,
like when I’m

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when you’re given a task,

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what is the thing
that makes it feel like

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you understand
how you’re going to

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complete that task?

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Does that make sense?
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

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I think for me, it’s
it’s pretty important to have

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a fair understanding of “A”
the tools that I’m using.

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(Right.) And “B,”
what it’s supposed to look like

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when it’s finished.

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And and you’ve always been great

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at kind of painting
that picture for me.

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And I think that’s important
that I can

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sort of visually in my head
understand

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what it’s going to look like
at the end, right?

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Because then I can sort of
fill in the gaps and,

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you know, ask questions
where I’m not sure.

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But overall,
yeah, it’s very helpful.

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Yeah, it’s interesting

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because I was saying earlier
about talking about

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watching this

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or listening this podcast
and they’re talking to this

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this guy
and he’s talking about how

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if you could feel it,
he just understood the material.

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And and it was so weird
that I felt like

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when he said that it just like

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rang true for me
that like it was soon as you,

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you know,
you talk about seeing it

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and you see it and then
you go up to it and you feel it.

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You kind of like
sort of take it…

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un-build it,

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I guess
is the best way to put it

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and try understand how all these
components go together.

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You’re like, Oh,
I think I can get there.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But yeah.

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And then for you, Daws,
what when you’re thinking

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about skills
that are are helpful for you,

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when you’re going into a task,
what is like something that…

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I would
I would probably say that

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visual cues for me
like I need to see

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what I’m doing right,
you know, like words are words,

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but communication’s
important as well.

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But I think that if somebody
is just explaining it to me

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and can’t, I can’t physically
see the proof of it.

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I think Marshall’s
like that too.

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I, I don’t know what I’m doing,
you know,

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I can have a rough image
in my head,

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but it might not be what we need

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or what
we want or stuff like that.

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So I think that for me
to actually

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get it done and do it right,
I have to see it.

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And I think once once I see it,
I don’t really

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I can’t really forget it,
you know.

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So yeah, I think that’s
probably it for me.

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So you do
one lap around the house…

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So do one lap around the house
and realize it’s wrong!

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It’s all wrong. Tear it down,
start again!

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It’s so it’s

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it’s funny when I say that
because like it’s so you

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when you when you get going
and next thing you know, you’re,

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you’re down in the trailer
and you’re going like,

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What the hell do I even
come here for?

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That happens to me.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah.

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You’re in a hot and heavy, like,

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motion to get down there
to get this thing.

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The next thing you know,
you’re there and you’re

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looking at the side of the
trailer and you’re going…

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Oh, shit, yeah.

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I wish.

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I wish it just popped out of me
and said, hey,

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let let’s go back to work here.

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Was I measuring or
smashing stuff?

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Yeah. (Oh, God.

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That’s awesome.)
Or even so like getting,

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you know,
you’re up in the rafters

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and you’re yelling at me
out of measurement,

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and I’m cutting stuff,
and I just think- you yell

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it and I’m

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pretty sure I heard it
and I go like, what was it like

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10 seconds go by,
I don’t know what it is.

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“Jordy,
what was it again?” Like “Pay

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attention!” I’m
like okay, right (Right.).

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Then I get it. It’s
just hectic on the jobsite.

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(Yeah.) And remember a couple,

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it was probably
a couple of months back

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and we were talking about that,
that measuring tool where you

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could put it on the tape
and then it shot to the guy.

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The Tomahawk Measuring Tape,
or whatever

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it was, and sends it
right down to the chop saw.

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(Yeah, that was – did you see
that?) I don’t think so, no.

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So what it was
is like the measuring-

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you could like
take a measurement with it.

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Yeah.

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Click your measurement in

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and then it would send
that number to the cut guy

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at the cut station
that had a wheel on it

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that you literally would like
bring your piece

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across this wheel
and it would tell you

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when you’re ready
to cut this piece.

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(Oh!)
It would say the number, too.

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It wasn’t like it was like
totally… A guessing game.

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(Yeah.) Right. (Yeah
that was cool.) Interesting.

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Yeah, it was- Yeah,
it was kinda cool.

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And when we talk about
technology

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and stuff like that, like,
okay, those,

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those are kind of things
that could be helpful.

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And seeing, understanding

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how that kind of plays
into our world and… (Yeah.)

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So when you guys were

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thinking about working with me,
what was the thing that like

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kind of intrigued
you or made you feel like

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it made sense
to maybe come to work with us?

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Well,
I got to be honest with you.

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(Yeah.)
I saw your last name (Yeah)

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was the same as mine *laughs*
so I was sold immediately.

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Obviously, Scotland – FREEDOM!

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*Laughs* That was pretty…

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I think you even shared that
when when we met.

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Yeah. At Timmy’s
there. At Timmy’s, yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. So, I mean guilty.

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That was my first thought.

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And then we had an interview
and you looked me in the eye and

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I knew that you were going to

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take your time
and teach me the right way.

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And I could tell
that your energy was super calm

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and you’re

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willing to work with me
on this instead of

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just expect me
to be able to do some stuff

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and then yell at me later.

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(Right.) I knew that
wasn’t going to be that way.

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So I think that was probably
the most attractive thing

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about
you. Right. And… *Laughs*

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The the kind of…

00:21:06:09 – 00:21:06:15
you…

00:21:06:15 – 00:21:08:02
we talked a little bit about,
like the

00:21:08:02 – 00:21:10:28
the ego and and trying
to, like, feel that

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that was, you know, you
you had worry about that and.

00:21:14:16 – 00:21:17:25
(Yeah.) And how does…

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have you noticed
that much in even like

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when we were working with
the other teams that we have

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that we work with,
like any of the trade partners.

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You know what, from what I’ve

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what I was told beforehand
and what I saw

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was a lot of egotistical
kind of crap and I just.

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I’m not interested in
going to work to get yelled at.

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(Yeah.) And I knew that was a,
that was a dealbreaker for me.

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Right.

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So, but I think now that I’ve
been working with you for a year

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and I’ve seen some of the other
trades come on site, it’s

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I feel like
the industry is getting better.

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I think it’s kind of moving
in a direction that’s positive

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and that’s

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you know,

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a little bit more accommodating
to the next generation.

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(Right.) So I think if, you
know, if you’re thinking about

00:22:01:18 – 00:22:04:06
a career like this,
then don’t be afraid of that.

00:22:04:11 – 00:22:06:29
(Yeah.) I think just jump at it
and see how it feels

00:22:07:13 – 00:22:09:10
and jump to the next guy
and see how it feels, too.

00:22:09:10 – 00:22:11:12
Like you can’t
just base it off of,

00:22:11:24 – 00:22:13:09
you know, preconceived notions.

00:22:13:09 – 00:22:14:17
And one boss.

00:22:14:17 – 00:22:15:29
You really got to jump around.

00:22:15:29 – 00:22:16:21
Yeah, I,

00:22:16:21 – 00:22:17:28
I think that that’s really

00:22:17:28 – 00:22:21:18
actually a pretty good point
that you made because like the,

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there’s so many different parts
of the trades too.

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It’s like that’s
why I felt like go out, try,

00:22:29:23 – 00:22:32:15
try as many things as you can
before you’re 25, like,

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and then I don’t even think that

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that even has to be trade
based, to be honest.

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I think that that’s
just like jobs in general, like,

00:22:38:26 – 00:22:42:13
go try, you know,
be a guy in the dishpit.

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Go do…

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Because like

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you get kind of a little bit
of like the restaurant kind of.

00:22:47:01 – 00:22:47:17
(Yeah.

00:22:47:17 – 00:22:50:10
Yeah.)
Go do like some construction.

00:22:50:10 – 00:22:53:06
Go do – I don’t know. Feel out
different industries.

00:22:53:06 – 00:22:53:11
Yeah.

00:22:53:11 – 00:22:55:02
Feel out different industries
because

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until you’ve been a part of

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those people

00:23:01:07 – 00:23:03:18
then you know, you don’t,
you don’t know what

00:23:03:18 – 00:23:06:01
you’re missing or what
what you hope for.

00:23:06:03 – 00:23:06:29
Yeah, that’s right.

00:23:06:29 – 00:23:10:22
And I
and I do feel that lots more

00:23:11:13 – 00:23:14:09
employers
are are looking to hire people

00:23:14:23 – 00:23:17:15
that are willing
to learn over this

00:23:17:15 – 00:23:20:22
skill set that they’re getting
from from school, too.

00:23:20:23 – 00:23:23:10
(Yes.)
I think there’s still value in

00:23:23:21 – 00:23:26:25
in going to school
because there’s lots of like

00:23:27:22 – 00:23:30:18
you get kind of niche
and kind of like dig into things

00:23:30:18 – 00:23:32:22
that you may not ever have time
for at work.

00:23:32:27 – 00:23:35:19
(Yeah.) But, yeah.

00:23:35:20 – 00:23:37:20
So that’s kind of like
my thoughts on that.

00:23:37:20 – 00:23:40:06
(Yeah.) (Yeah.) Go explore.

00:23:40:14 – 00:23:45:01
(Mhm.) (Yeah.) ‘Til you’re
25 or around there and then go,

00:23:45:01 – 00:23:47:07
okay, maybe I’ll dig into this
a little bit deeper.

00:23:47:13 – 00:23:50:12
And it’s not to say that like
you have to be, you know, set in

00:23:50:13 – 00:23:52:12
how you’re going to go
the rest of your days.

00:23:52:12 – 00:23:54:25
I know lots of tradespeople
that, you know, they’ve

00:23:55:01 – 00:23:58:08
they’ve gone out and they’ve
they’ve started in one trade.

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They go to the next one
and then they

00:24:00:04 – 00:24:03:21
and then maybe they end up in
sales, which was like, you know.

00:24:03:21 – 00:24:04:23
What a concept.

00:24:04:23 – 00:24:05:04
Yeah.

00:24:05:04 – 00:24:07:10
It’s like,
you know, you’re, you’re in,

00:24:07:14 – 00:24:09:05
you’re in sales, in construction

00:24:09:05 – 00:24:12:00
or you’re like doing estimating
which, you know, like,

00:24:12:12 – 00:24:14:12
you know, you,
you thought that you might

00:24:14:25 – 00:24:15:26
always want to be on the tools.

00:24:15:26 – 00:24:17:13
Maybe there’s like a body.

00:24:17:13 – 00:24:19:06
It’s like your body hurts.

00:24:19:06 – 00:24:21:02
So now you’re trying
to, like, pivot.

00:24:21:02 – 00:24:24:00
Or it could be that you’re,
you know, you’re looking for

00:24:24:00 – 00:24:25:20
just something different
as a challenge.

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And and that’s
the kind of cool thing

00:24:27:10 – 00:24:30:00
I feel about construction
is so many different

00:24:30:00 – 00:24:30:25
little like

00:24:30:25 – 00:24:32:07
thing- pieces of the puzzle

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that need to come together
to make this.

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And it takes all different
kinds of people.

00:24:36:01 – 00:24:36:18
(Yeah, it sure does).

00:24:36:18 – 00:24:38:03
Some people that are great on

00:24:38:03 – 00:24:39:28
the tools are not great
in the paperwork

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part of it, and the engineering
side of things and vice versa.

00:24:43:28 – 00:24:44:06
Right?

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I’m not going to be graded
as a as an engineer,

00:24:46:11 – 00:24:48:11
but I’ll sure as hell
swing a hammer.

00:24:48:11 – 00:24:49:21
Hey, you don’t know
that, though.

00:24:49:21 – 00:24:51:03
Yeah, well, that’s true, too.

00:24:51:03 – 00:24:52:20
(Yeah.) Yeah,
I think it’s about staying open.

00:24:52:20 – 00:24:54:10
(Yeah.) Yeah, I just kind of…

00:24:54:10 – 00:24:56:19
(I mean, you never know…)
Finding your own balance.

00:24:56:20 – 00:25:00:06
Yeah, because, you know,
you might go down this route of

00:25:01:00 – 00:25:04:07
carpentry for some time
and then go, “Oh,

00:25:04:17 – 00:25:08:17
I actually kind of would really
like that particular part.”

00:25:08:25 – 00:25:10:27
And then, you know,
and next thing you know, you’re

00:25:11:00 – 00:25:12:04
you are, you’re

00:25:12:04 – 00:25:15:00
behind the computer just digging
into these fine details

00:25:15:00 – 00:25:15:25
of how
things are coming together…

00:25:17:02 – 00:25:19:21
Well, let’s hope not.

00:25:19:21 – 00:25:20:03
Yeah.

00:25:20:03 – 00:25:22:26
Just, you know, for now,
that doesn’t feel right.

00:25:22:29 – 00:25:24:29
(Yeah.) And, but yeah.

00:25:24:29 – 00:25:28:14
And then for you, Daws,
what what was the-

00:25:28:14 – 00:25:29:17
what was the reason

00:25:29:17 – 00:25:31:15
why you thought you might want
to come work with us?

00:25:31:15 – 00:25:34:16
It was probably
it was probably your attitude.

00:25:34:20 – 00:25:37:08
(Yeah.) I mean, other than
how you looked. *Laughs*

00:25:37:08 – 00:25:39:26
I was, you know,
I because I did.

00:25:39:26 – 00:25:40:06
Yeah.

00:25:40:06 – 00:25:42:23
No, I saw you and I just started
chatting and I went,

00:25:43:15 – 00:25:44:24
this guy’s good shit.

00:25:44:24 – 00:25:48:28
Like, I like him, you know,
and and and I was, I think,

00:25:48:28 – 00:25:51:18
you know, like one of my first
jobs is I was I was a dish kid.

00:25:52:01 – 00:25:54:29
And then my other job,
I put pipe in the ground and I

00:25:55:17 – 00:25:57:08
couldn’t stand that.
I was young.

00:25:57:08 – 00:25:58:08
I was I didn’t know anything.

00:25:58:08 – 00:26:00:03
And I got treated like shit
and all that.

00:26:00:03 – 00:26:01:26
And and then and then.

00:26:01:26 – 00:26:03:28
Yeah, and then I met you
and I said, Yeah, you know what?

00:26:03:29 – 00:26:05:11
I’m willing to.

00:26:05:11 – 00:26:08:20
I want to break my back for this
guy like, you know, work hard.

00:26:08:23 – 00:26:09:19
(Yeah.) And

00:26:10:23 – 00:26:12:28
and I feel
rewarded after doing it, too.

00:26:12:28 – 00:26:14:28
You know, every day at the end
when, you know,

00:26:14:28 – 00:26:18:13
whether it’s a nice work
or good hustle or anything,

00:26:18:15 – 00:26:19:22
you know, I just appreciate it.

00:26:19:22 – 00:26:23:07
And then even so too,

00:26:23:07 – 00:26:25:15
with with the industry
as a whole or what the,

00:26:25:27 – 00:26:28:25
you know, drew me to it.

00:26:28:25 – 00:26:31:26
I think there’s so much like,
you know, you’ve all said it.

00:26:31:26 – 00:26:35:17
There’s so many avenues
that you can take and you know,

00:26:36:10 – 00:26:36:24
you know me.

00:26:36:24 – 00:26:38:28
I change my mind like
my underwear – all the time!

00:26:38:28 – 00:26:40:12
But and I’m always thinking.

00:26:40:12 – 00:26:42:02
But I think, too, that,
you know,

00:26:42:02 – 00:26:44:29
what also attracts me with you
is that you

00:26:45:11 – 00:26:48:23
always you never really judged.

00:26:48:23 – 00:26:50:17
And you never

00:26:50:22 – 00:26:53:03
you never kind of said, well,
that would be a bad idea,

00:26:53:03 – 00:26:54:11
or I wouldn’t do that.

00:26:54:11 – 00:26:58:00
It’s kind of a maybe, Daws,
maybe – go figure it out,

00:26:58:00 – 00:27:00:20
go feel something,
you know, here and there.

00:27:00:21 – 00:27:02:14
Go figure it out,
see what it is.

00:27:02:14 – 00:27:05:14
And I feel like that’s,
in my opinion,

00:27:05:14 – 00:27:08:26
for me, the best way
that I’m going to grow is,

00:27:09:09 – 00:27:10:02
you know,

00:27:10:02 – 00:27:10:25
I might be a

00:27:10:25 – 00:27:14:20
I might be a framer on a film
set or I might go and do finish

00:27:14:20 – 00:27:15:24
carpentry or,

00:27:15:24 – 00:27:17:25
you know, you never know
where it’s going to lead.

00:27:18:02 – 00:27:19:14
And then even when you’re there,

00:27:19:14 – 00:27:20:23
you don’t know
where else it’s going to lead.

00:27:20:23 – 00:27:23:05
So I think I think this industry

00:27:24:16 – 00:27:24:29
at its

00:27:24:29 – 00:27:28:06
base, I think it’s
you can go anywhere with it.

00:27:28:15 – 00:27:30:14
And that sounds pretty cheesy,

00:27:30:14 – 00:27:33:17
but yeah,
but it opens a lot of doors.

00:27:33:17 – 00:27:35:29
And you know, even when
I went to go, I drove trucks,

00:27:37:09 – 00:27:39:22
they said
what experience do you have?

00:27:39:22 – 00:27:41:03
I said construction.

00:27:41:03 – 00:27:42:18
“Oh, sweet – you’re in.”

00:27:42:18 – 00:27:45:14
It’s not related but still
you know that conversation,

00:27:45:14 – 00:27:47:27
they knew that I was
I have experience in the trade.

00:27:48:15 – 00:27:50:21
“Okay. This guy kind of gets
how a jobsite works.

00:27:50:22 – 00:27:52:14
Okay, sweet.
Good enough. Let’s get him.

00:27:52:14 – 00:27:54:12
See what this idiot can do.”

00:27:54:12 – 00:27:57:15
They bring me on and, yeah,
we just kind of went from there.

00:27:57:15 – 00:27:59:11
But I think with

00:27:59:18 – 00:28:02:05
yeah, I think with this trade
as a whole, I think it’s

00:28:02:05 – 00:28:03:00
a really good

00:28:04:17 – 00:28:05:12
avenue to take for

00:28:05:12 – 00:28:08:17
anyone who’s maybe even unsure
or sure what they want to do.

00:28:08:17 – 00:28:09:28
I think it’s just kind of…

00:28:09:28 – 00:28:13:19
there’s no real negative sides
if you find the right person.

00:28:13:24 – 00:28:17:07
(Right.) I think so, yeah.

00:28:17:07 – 00:28:18:04
Yeah.

00:28:18:18 – 00:28:20:27
Do you guys have anything more
that you want to add for today?

00:28:22:19 – 00:28:24:20
No, no.

00:28:24:20 – 00:28:26:02
(Cool.) I think that’s it.

00:28:26:02 – 00:28:27:08
Well, thank you, everybody,

00:28:27:08 – 00:28:29:12
for watching “Better
Building With Buck.”

00:28:29:12 – 00:28:31:19
We’re going to have more
apprentices on in the future.

00:28:32:08 – 00:28:35:11
So if you have any interest,
you can send us a message

00:28:36:26 – 00:28:39:13
through our website
and we’d be more than happy to

00:28:39:18 – 00:28:40:21
chat with you about that.

00:28:40:21 – 00:28:44:06
And and I, like I said earlier,
I just want to make sure

00:28:44:06 – 00:28:45:08
that everybody knows that

00:28:45:08 – 00:28:48:01
these are the guys
that get the work done and

00:28:49:07 – 00:28:49:21
it’s…

00:28:49:21 – 00:28:50:04
yeah.

00:28:50:04 – 00:28:52:14
So nice to have
have a team around you that’s

00:28:53:24 – 00:28:55:20
learning and getting shit done.

00:28:55:20 – 00:28:57:13
I appreciate it. (Thanks,
Jordan.) Yeah.

00:28:57:13 – 00:28:59:02
Okay,
everybody have a good night.

00:28:59:02 – 00:29:02:14
Bye for now.

00:29:02:14 – 00:29:04:26
Yeah, done. I feel good.

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